WWI is so far in the distance that you can make real life political figures fun Easter Eggs. "That's Hitler- he's more important in the sequels!"

'Imperialism bad, but it is super tempting' is genuinely the main theme of the film. As a WWI moron :whywhywhywhywhy: -Please tell me why the film's bad

  • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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    3 years ago

    Honestly it’s a fun film. For a series that got its start any going “fear not world, neoliberalism imperialism is over! Us classic aristocratic British imperialists are here to save the day!” And who’s second entry’s point was so awful I really wasn’t expecting it to be SO CRITICAL of aristocracy, imperialism , or war in general. That tench run scene and it’s conclusion are really well done. I never thought I’d see the Boer Wars concentration camps accurately depicted in a film. Let alone a big budget action one that has Voldermort swordfight Rasputin.

    As for the IRL history shit and the villains in general, it’s hilarious to me honestly. It’s not just Hitler BTW, they fucking retconed Kitchner’s death as well. And going by their discussion of the war the entire country of France just doesn’t exist in the Kingman timeline. Also the for the Zimmerman telegram stuff view it more as a desperate Hail Mary by a really dumb foreign relations council for Germany. Mexico was in a civil war at the time and the Mexican Government concluding there was literally no way they could go to the war with the US. Also Wilson always wanted to enter the war or at least sided with Britain and France over Germany since he saw an authoritarian as the dominant power in the world as a death blow for democracy and world peace . Wilson was a shit racist but he did have some strangely noble goals for a US President (granted as long as it benefited America’s place as a global power and capitalist interests but hey America is gonna America) Also why Wilson did have an affair it wasn’t with the women in the film. Who you should DEF look up because her IRL life is fascinating.

    As for the Hitler stuff and the villains in general. Well remember its A Hollywood film, of course they are

    spoiler

    going to both sides Lenin and have him be in the same evil society as Rasputin and the dude who IRL was Hitler’s political mentor

    The handshake at the end has me laughing so much.

    In conclusion:

    Soils 7/10 for me the plot wasn’t the best but it had fun action, A great performance from Ralph Fiennes (who looked like he needed a hug whole time which his character did) there should have been more Rasputin and goats.

    • steve5487 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Wilson always wanted to enter the war or at least sided with Britain and France over Germany

      Wilson explicitly stated that the US was at war with Germany on their own and refused any cooperation with Britain or France. Also not entering WW1 was literally Wilson's only good decision and it's ridiculous to call WW1 about authoritarianism it was a stupid argument among aristocrats about nothing

        • steve5487 [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          yes that would have been better but entering the war earlier would have been worse than what he did

      • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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        3 years ago

        Once in the war yes he did but that was political shit. We have private letter of him talking about how he hopes France and Great Britain win for the sake of democracy and American world power.

        Note how I never said the First World War was about authoritarianism I don’t believe it and frankly the movie doesn’t either showing by how far they go out of their way to make the kings look like shit (well the non British ones at least) the war was always about petty imperialism coming hime to roost. Also Leauge of Nations And the guaranteed autonomy of ethnic groups from imperial Powers were also good shit Wilson did. As well as gave us income tax and the Clayton act.

        I am in no way defending the shit heel racist fuck that he was. I am saying that he is one of the better presidents and that fact says a lot about this shit settler nation that is the US

    • threshold [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah showing concentration camps as an opening were pretty fucking ballsy lol. I assumed it was a reference, but you mentioning the telegram being real- I thought it was all Kingsman stuff- I'm so embarrassed to learn about history through a film that has Rasputin do a fight while kossack dancing. (also was Rasputin Bi- or is that a case of Hitler being accused of every fetish under the sun because who's gonna argue with making salacious rumours about a hated man?) Also did Wilson even have an affair- and blackmail?

      Yeah I enjoyed Fiennes being pacifist, calling out his ancestors as only being considered 'civilised' because they were able to through their rape and pillaged of the east. A bit more nuanced and maybe progressive(ish) than Kingsman 2's "Drug users bad"