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    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, probably, but the US is possibly already far enough gone that it might contemplate a nuclear exchange if it actually loses the first stand up fight it's had since at least Vietnam and probably WW2. I've mentioned this before, but a US carrier group is the equivalent of a Roman Legion, and losing one or more would make collapse clear and force a heavy-handed punitive response to stave off panic.

      It's hard to predict US reaction to losing it's ability to project power in the west Pacific. Doubt it would be good even (especially) for US allies

      • SIN_DEATH_JUDGEMENT_ [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Delta airlines will never allow a single bomb to touch an airstrip they're connected to.

        The two main boogymen of post-cataclysm US (nuclear war or facism) don't really scare me because the state is totally captured by capital and will only act in ways that support short term profit. It's why I don't see a military conflict in the first place, it would probably accompany cutting off all trade with China, which would end the United States in a month. So it would come down to China deciding to provoke the US, which it also does not want to do.

        I also don't see a facist movement taking off in the same way because:

        1. They won, we are already the 4th Reich.
        2. The dipshits who don't get it (see: the """grassroots""" right of the 2010s) are very small in number, are constantly infighting and are controlled from the top down by the state.
        3. The main ideological movement that it could draw support from (Qanon) are piss drinkers who have been committing ritual suicide for the past two years
        4. The sort of redistribution and basic upkeep of existing services needed to manufacture the consent of an explicitly facist US would, again, not be allowed by Delta Airlines.

        Killing your kids and starting the second great recession is not good for business a year from now. It isn't good six months from now. But it'll let you party for the next two weeks, and whatever happens after might as well not be real.

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I agree, it's very unlikely unless collapse has already detached non military-industrial capital from state control and there's just flailing. Don't think we're close to the amount of institutional rot where Delta and Lockheed-Martin are having a deep state civil war.

          But "A way for Biden to win" was the topic, and while we're dreaming up six impossible things before breakfast may as well add one more.

          • SIN_DEATH_JUDGEMENT_ [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            I would love to see the propaganda campaigns from both parties, trying to condemn each other. Cruelty Squad Russiagate nonsense. So many names the 40 most mentally ill news website commentors would expect you to hold in the same level of importance as Linclon.

      • Vncredleader
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        3 years ago

        I agree, but Rome lost a few legions well before it fell. The US could very well just get people into a nationalistic rage like Pearl Harbor