I think it's a bit of both, libs have been taking credit for socialist achievements forever (8 hour work week etc..) but I think they start to believe it after a while.
they think they know the right way forward, and anyone to the left of them is crazy/stupid. so therefore they are the most left, yet realistic heroes of all possible progress, and it is only people to the right of them that are the moderates in the way. couldn't be them. they are heroes and more importantly CORRECT in their own minds.
but that most people, also. pretty common human trait. lots of leftist infighting stems from exactly these ideas.
I think she knows exactly what she's talking about.
To this day one of the most theory-deep discussions I've ever had outside of well educated ML party members was with a Thatcherite that was completely class conscious, well read of marxist literature, and entirely self aware that they were a monster feeding off the proletariat.
Have you played Disco Elysium? Theres an uncanny resemblance of that to a character in the game you talk to that calls herself an ultraliberal, its a really weird conversation because she is so frank about her position in society and realizes her position with class politics, just in an evil way.
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I think it's a bit of both, libs have been taking credit for socialist achievements forever (8 hour work week etc..) but I think they start to believe it after a while.
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they think they know the right way forward, and anyone to the left of them is crazy/stupid. so therefore they are the most left, yet realistic heroes of all possible progress, and it is only people to the right of them that are the moderates in the way. couldn't be them. they are heroes and more importantly CORRECT in their own minds.
but that most people, also. pretty common human trait. lots of leftist infighting stems from exactly these ideas.
Hilary absolutely does think she's the hero and the most deserving. She has a very "it has to be me" mentality.
"Only I can fix it!"
Anyone who thinks they know the political center is an egotist of some sort.
:LIB: :brainworms: in the terminal stage cause the carrier to have Harry Potter levels of chosen one epic destiny megalomania.
I want to remind you that this is the woman that said, specifically, "we need to take back the means of production" from China.
She knows EXACTLY what she is doing.
They are not incompetent people that see themselves as goodies. They are competent and well educated monsters.
This woman knows more communist theory than Vaush and half the left.
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I think she knows exactly what she's talking about.
To this day one of the most theory-deep discussions I've ever had outside of well educated ML party members was with a Thatcherite that was completely class conscious, well read of marxist literature, and entirely self aware that they were a monster feeding off the proletariat.
I won't underestimate any of them.
Have you played Disco Elysium? Theres an uncanny resemblance of that to a character in the game you talk to that calls herself an ultraliberal, its a really weird conversation because she is so frank about her position in society and realizes her position with class politics, just in an evil way.
Joyce is literally Thatcher.
But yes that was my experience with a Thatcherite I know that is active in politics.
Educated monsters and absolutely none of them should be underestimated. They are willing to lie and perform, even be "idiots" if necessary.
Her child rapist of a husband is the one who opened the floodgates to sending the means of production to China in the first place!!!
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