can you give some more concrete examples?
i feel like i am very bad at taking criticism but at the same time i think that if someone were offering me constructive criticism - especially a professor - i would take it pretty well. maybe even be happy to receive it.
I found out fairly soon that just telling them something like “this is not good enough. you need to put in way more effort than this” is bad enough that some students would feel really bad and interpreted them as “i’m not good enough for this subject, i’m not worthy.”
Well, yeah. When I was in college if a professor had given me that as feedback I would have been annoyed. It tells me nothing on how to improve. It's not constructive or helpful and it's a little condescending. Of course they're putting effort in, they going into like $60,000+ into debt for it.
Those are two completely different responses. It's not just a change in window dressing for culture's sake, you're actually offering resources and reasoning in the second one. The 'simple point' is just barren of the guiding element of education. I don't need to be friends with my professors, but it's helpful to be treated like a human rather than a machine churning out assignments that just needs its "effort" dial turned up
Like, I expected way more effort than what I have received from them.
yeah, i'm a college student and i'm shocked quite frequently at how little effort some people put in when in group projects or when handing in papers. at the same time, a lot of it is because they have no clue how to do stuff properly and are too afraid to ask. i was never taught how to write academic papers before college so when they were first assigned to me i had to put a decent amount of work in. lots of people handed in pretty bad papers but i don't fault them because if it's your first semester you should probably be given more help and guiding.
but as other comments have pointed out, saying "i want more effort" isn't good advice or criticism. they aren't playing sports, they are doing academic work. you should focus on what they should improve rather than say "do better". so if their writing is bad say that and give them some pointers. if they don't know an important part of their course say that and try to point them to material that discusses that topic.
i know that you probably have a ton of students and it might not be feasible to do this for every single students, but i can assure you that if you do it for some they'd probably be very grateful. this is stuff that only takes a few minutes but means a lot to people.
When you have to go to college to get a good job and are pushed into it by your parents don't be surprised when people don't give a shit. They have lives outside of your class.
can you give some more concrete examples?
i feel like i am very bad at taking criticism but at the same time i think that if someone were offering me constructive criticism - especially a professor - i would take it pretty well. maybe even be happy to receive it.
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Well, yeah. When I was in college if a professor had given me that as feedback I would have been annoyed. It tells me nothing on how to improve. It's not constructive or helpful and it's a little condescending. Of course they're putting effort in, they going into like $60,000+ into debt for it.
Those are two completely different responses. It's not just a change in window dressing for culture's sake, you're actually offering resources and reasoning in the second one. The 'simple point' is just barren of the guiding element of education. I don't need to be friends with my professors, but it's helpful to be treated like a human rather than a machine churning out assignments that just needs its "effort" dial turned up
yeah, i'm a college student and i'm shocked quite frequently at how little effort some people put in when in group projects or when handing in papers. at the same time, a lot of it is because they have no clue how to do stuff properly and are too afraid to ask. i was never taught how to write academic papers before college so when they were first assigned to me i had to put a decent amount of work in. lots of people handed in pretty bad papers but i don't fault them because if it's your first semester you should probably be given more help and guiding.
but as other comments have pointed out, saying "i want more effort" isn't good advice or criticism. they aren't playing sports, they are doing academic work. you should focus on what they should improve rather than say "do better". so if their writing is bad say that and give them some pointers. if they don't know an important part of their course say that and try to point them to material that discusses that topic.
i know that you probably have a ton of students and it might not be feasible to do this for every single students, but i can assure you that if you do it for some they'd probably be very grateful. this is stuff that only takes a few minutes but means a lot to people.
When you have to go to college to get a good job and are pushed into it by your parents don't be surprised when people don't give a shit. They have lives outside of your class.