What China did is cool and good but what's the end game here? The virus isn't going anywhere, it's gonna keep existing forever like the regular flu, there is zero chance of completely exterminating it globally considering how most countries fucked it all up in the beginning. Do they plan on keeping this up forever?
My guess is they want to have a thoroughly vaxxed population before they relax their containment procedures. Maybe they're developing a better vax that works better against all strains or something.
the end game is zero covid - it's still possible to eradicate it, this isn't a deterministic inevitability. China isn't the only nation with this approach either, just the one that gets talked about.
there's no reason they can't keep it up until the globe comes around to their obviously correct approach, however long that takes. There's a lot of pressure from capitalist institutions sure but the economic and societal damage caused by 'letting it rip' will make the west crumble before China does. Plagues always cause radical change, I think the effects of this one are nowhere near over, especially combined with other shifts in the world order, climate change, economic issues like currency devaluation, geopolitical manueverings etc.
Yeah I'd love for that to happen but i have absolutely ZERO expectations that it will. The US will tolerate an absurd about of death and health damage through long COVID before they're ever willing to do what it would take for eradication
Dubious, but we can't predict. I'm more worry about a variant pop up in India though, which is a massive population and Modi just lets it rip like the US, let's see if variant more dangerous pop up.
the end game is zero covid - it’s still possible to eradicate it, this isn’t a deterministic inevitability.
Sure but you'd have to get pretty much literally the entire world on board to do a big lockdown simultaneously (and do it properly, not the half asses shit most western countries got). Sounds unlikely that that's gonna happen in our lifetime if ever.
They're going to keep doing their successful containment strategy and letting Anglos socially murder their populations until there is a safe way to relax policies.
probably wait until they develop a vaccine that is bulletproof like with some other diseases. current vaccines are good and all but wont eradicate covid, just keeps you from dying
Their scientist said that if the country want to open up. The fatality rate have to be 1.0 or under that. With how the virus mutate in the west because the us and it allies let’s it breed. It’s hard to predict since the fatality rate right now is still high, with children also affect
Better vaccines are right around the corner.
https://www.cnet.com/health/army-leads-the-race-for-a-universal-covid-vaccine-that-could-end-coronavirus-pandemics/
What China did is cool and good but what's the end game here? The virus isn't going anywhere, it's gonna keep existing forever like the regular flu, there is zero chance of completely exterminating it globally considering how most countries fucked it all up in the beginning. Do they plan on keeping this up forever?
My guess is they want to have a thoroughly vaxxed population before they relax their containment procedures. Maybe they're developing a better vax that works better against all strains or something.
the end game is zero covid - it's still possible to eradicate it, this isn't a deterministic inevitability. China isn't the only nation with this approach either, just the one that gets talked about.
there's no reason they can't keep it up until the globe comes around to their obviously correct approach, however long that takes. There's a lot of pressure from capitalist institutions sure but the economic and societal damage caused by 'letting it rip' will make the west crumble before China does. Plagues always cause radical change, I think the effects of this one are nowhere near over, especially combined with other shifts in the world order, climate change, economic issues like currency devaluation, geopolitical manueverings etc.
me waiting for long COVID to shift the USA's economic policies: :shrux:
Yeah I'd love for that to happen but i have absolutely ZERO expectations that it will. The US will tolerate an absurd about of death and health damage through long COVID before they're ever willing to do what it would take for eradication
Until they see work force dwindling down. Unless they let migrant coming in mass, hard to do with the amount propaganda the right has hit them
Good point but still.
America doesn't need an industrial work force. Also Americans are extremely custom to importing migrant work.
As bad as COVID is it's still nowhere near as bad as it would have to be to convince the the American beorgousie that eradication is the answer.
A new significantly deadly and still as transmissible variant tho?? Yeah maybe, maybe. The likelihood of that tho is dubious
Dubious, but we can't predict. I'm more worry about a variant pop up in India though, which is a massive population and Modi just lets it rip like the US, let's see if variant more dangerous pop up.
You're right we can't predict. But we have to keep in mind how likely it is.
India as a source for the next variant sounds like a pretty good guess to me. Also an animal source seems possible as well
Sure but you'd have to get pretty much literally the entire world on board to do a big lockdown simultaneously (and do it properly, not the half asses shit most western countries got). Sounds unlikely that that's gonna happen in our lifetime if ever.
or wait for a magical vaccine or pill?
They're going to keep doing their successful containment strategy and letting Anglos socially murder their populations until there is a safe way to relax policies.
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probably wait until they develop a vaccine that is bulletproof like with some other diseases. current vaccines are good and all but wont eradicate covid, just keeps you from dying
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the endgame is not letting millions of people die from covid
Their scientist said that if the country want to open up. The fatality rate have to be 1.0 or under that. With how the virus mutate in the west because the us and it allies let’s it breed. It’s hard to predict since the fatality rate right now is still high, with children also affect
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1484938436679245834
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1484921586595635206
I’m not sure what the end game for the US though with high death, batter economy, cripple generation.
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China can sustain this much longer than the west can.
Better vaccines are right around the corner. https://www.cnet.com/health/army-leads-the-race-for-a-universal-covid-vaccine-that-could-end-coronavirus-pandemics/