• departee [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    You'd think they would keep their mouth shut after causing one of the largest malaria outbreaks in Madagascar

  • solaranus
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    1 year ago

    deleted by creator

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I've used this shit like three times in the last week lol EVERGREEN: https://fair.org/home/nyt-china-needs-to-rethink-its-not-letting-people-die-from-covid-policy/

    The argument that China should show “higher tolerance for Covid” comes down to the “punishing economic and social cost” and “pandemic fatigue” cited by the “health experts” in the September 13 Times piece. The economic cost is easier to calculate: With its zero-Covid policy, China’s GDP grew 2.3% last year, one of the few major economies to have a positive growth rate in 2020, while the US shrank by 3.5% with its lots-of-Covid strategy.

    Climbing out of that hole, the US is expected to do well this year, with the IMF projecting a 6.4% growth rate. But China is expected to do even better, with an estimated 8.4% growth rate. If China is paying an economic cost for having 99.3% fewer Covid deaths, it’s not a huge cost.

    The “social cost” of “pandemic fatigue” is harder to quantify. But if, like most of our readers, you live in the United States, ask yourself: Do you feel like you are free of “pandemic fatigue” because you live in a country that has a “higher tolerance of Covid”? Do you think that most citizens of China—which reopened schools for in-person learning in September 2020, not 2021—would happily exchange their coronavirus anxiety for ours?

    “Misery loves company” is an old saying. It’s not a good principle for health reporting, though."

    China's policy is only a burden on fuckup failed-state capitalist shitholes who want the Chinese to sacrifice their lives so we can have our treats. Which, AS WE'VE FUCKING SEEN from the economic toll of infections running wild in said failed-state crapitalist shitholes, would only wreck their ability to produce those goods by sickening and killing their workforce -- suddenly the Chinese just "don't want to work," as capitalist mongrels love to say about dead and disabled people. Capitalism is such a fucking brain-dead system run by fucking idiots.

    • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Lol the comments, even on a FAIR article.

      Only the dead know peace from these radlibs.

  • space_comrade [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    What China did is cool and good but what's the end game here? The virus isn't going anywhere, it's gonna keep existing forever like the regular flu, there is zero chance of completely exterminating it globally considering how most countries fucked it all up in the beginning. Do they plan on keeping this up forever?

    My guess is they want to have a thoroughly vaxxed population before they relax their containment procedures. Maybe they're developing a better vax that works better against all strains or something.

    • Vitnonourelow [any]
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      3 years ago

      the end game is zero covid - it's still possible to eradicate it, this isn't a deterministic inevitability. China isn't the only nation with this approach either, just the one that gets talked about.

      there's no reason they can't keep it up until the globe comes around to their obviously correct approach, however long that takes. There's a lot of pressure from capitalist institutions sure but the economic and societal damage caused by 'letting it rip' will make the west crumble before China does. Plagues always cause radical change, I think the effects of this one are nowhere near over, especially combined with other shifts in the world order, climate change, economic issues like currency devaluation, geopolitical manueverings etc.

      • SaniFlush [any, any]
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        3 years ago

        me waiting for long COVID to shift the USA's economic policies: :shrux:

      • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah I'd love for that to happen but i have absolutely ZERO expectations that it will. The US will tolerate an absurd about of death and health damage through long COVID before they're ever willing to do what it would take for eradication

        • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          Until they see work force dwindling down. Unless they let migrant coming in mass, hard to do with the amount propaganda the right has hit them

          • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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            3 years ago

            Good point but still.

            America doesn't need an industrial work force. Also Americans are extremely custom to importing migrant work.

            As bad as COVID is it's still nowhere near as bad as it would have to be to convince the the American beorgousie that eradication is the answer.

            A new significantly deadly and still as transmissible variant tho?? Yeah maybe, maybe. The likelihood of that tho is dubious

            • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              Dubious, but we can't predict. I'm more worry about a variant pop up in India though, which is a massive population and Modi just lets it rip like the US, let's see if variant more dangerous pop up.

              • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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                3 years ago

                You're right we can't predict. But we have to keep in mind how likely it is.

                India as a source for the next variant sounds like a pretty good guess to me. Also an animal source seems possible as well

      • space_comrade [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        the end game is zero covid - it’s still possible to eradicate it, this isn’t a deterministic inevitability.

        Sure but you'd have to get pretty much literally the entire world on board to do a big lockdown simultaneously (and do it properly, not the half asses shit most western countries got). Sounds unlikely that that's gonna happen in our lifetime if ever.

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      They're going to keep doing their successful containment strategy and letting Anglos socially murder their populations until there is a safe way to relax policies.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      probably wait until they develop a vaccine that is bulletproof like with some other diseases. current vaccines are good and all but wont eradicate covid, just keeps you from dying

    • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Their scientist said that if the country want to open up. The fatality rate have to be 1.0 or under that. With how the virus mutate in the west because the us and it allies let’s it breed. It’s hard to predict since the fatality rate right now is still high, with children also affect

      https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1484938436679245834

      https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1484921586595635206

      I’m not sure what the end game for the US though with high death, batter economy, cripple generation.

    • learntocod [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Better vaccines are right around the corner. https://www.cnet.com/health/army-leads-the-race-for-a-universal-covid-vaccine-that-could-end-coronavirus-pandemics/

  • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Your ex says your locked-house policy looks like a 'burden' and you need to reassess

  • Wheaties [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    The only "burden" capitalists can imagine is a financial one. Nevermind the burden on workers, nurses, hospitals - to them, a burden stops existing the moment it's no longer weighing on their wallet. To suggest that doing so merely shits and amplifies the burden to somewhere else is unthinkable.

    These are the people telling you they're the only adults in the room capable of "weighing the facts", the only ones capable of cross-benifit analysis. As though playing the market grants some mysterious insight that we are too stupid to understand.

  • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    "Local arsonist decries fire department as authoritarian overreach, demands shuttering"