Pass me the cyanide gas because this seems like a highly successful op.
The 30 year old dog walker did an interview on Fox that was pretty cringe but all in all not THAT bad imo but is set off a firestorm and 200k people instantly joined /r/workreform
Here's where it gets fun. The 3 mods of /r/workreform all work at the same bank. One is A CTO and the others claim to be low level employees. Link
The new sub seems like a bunch of libshits. "It’s work reforms not anti capitalism"
"This isn't necessarily an anti-capitalism sub. We may share many of the same ideals and goals, but "
"If you want anticaptialism, go to /r/LateStageCapitalism"
tl;dr a 30 yo dog walker was too much for the libs to handle 😅
Doesn't matter if its an op or not because this "movement" was always 100% online and had a huge contingent of NEET nonsense
It was a 1.4M member community that was constantly posting support for unionization efforts across the country.
While no vanguard, it was a significant space on reddit that pulled people away from some of the typical :brainworms:
Again being blunt, if you're 100% online then expressing rhetorical support for unionization is nothing more than screaming into a void.
True but I'm not looking at it from an actionable vanguard perspective.
In the same way most of reddit propagates brainworm lib takes, a large community all shouting "wtf is going on?" has an effect towards common view/perspective. It made people curious, interested, and supportive of strikes an union efforts, which in turn would help actual union drives because there'd be one less "but i could use my dues to buy xbox" dummy.
/r/antiwork was never going to take up arms, but libs need some place to start questioning the status quo. Its a shame it was cut short by baby anarchists who had no understanding of maintaining a movement.
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r/antiwork was never going to be a movement, but this needs elaboration, otherwise this is a proper :reddit-logo: brained fundamentalist protestant irrational dogshit opinion you have there
Edit: upon elaboration and reflection I actually made a very big mistake in failing to understand what OP meant, I apologize to @LeninsRage and @Parzivus and everyone else for the hateful reactionary language and for my general shitty hostile behaviour. Logging off.
People are alienated from work because the capitalist time and labor regimen is egregiously dehumanizing and saps workers of all autonomy and meaning in their lives.
But the solution to that isn't "I want to sit around and mindlessly pursue pleasure on my computer all day" which is a very real tendency within the incoherent bloc that made up that subreddit. A socialist society means transforming labor relations - control over work schedules, work processes, distributions of goods, services, and wages, democratization and mass participation in all areas of political and economic life. But that also means work. A lot of it. Everyone doing their part.
We rightfully express contempt for terminally-online channer/Yang NEET types who spend all their time online and support UBI solely for the reason that they think it can subsidize their basement-dweller lifestyle. And to be blunt, if you're on the left and display similar sentiments, you're never going to get any respect from working people, just contempt.
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The fuck
So this is whats happening. Since im pissed at seeing neoliberal ideology here, i get angry and become a polemic asshole.
Therefore, pedants like yourself can happily focus on my appaling rude language, on the surface level, because you desperately want to own the person defending slimy NEETs yet cant find anything wrong with my arguments.
Okay.
Proving my point.
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Strawman, read what I wrote. Of course being a NEET isnt sustainable or revolutionary, when did I even imply that?
My point is that there is fucking disdain for NEETs as people because theyre "leeches to society" and whatnot, but painted Red. This is evidenced in part by the guy stating the sentiment on antiwork was "NEET nonsense", Its pure ideology.
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Yes in a way thats 1/4 of my entire argument. Im mad here because theyre using "society" as a shield to mask their own contempt for NEETs. People will look upon that sentiment with derison, no doubt, but who these people are is up for question. I hypothesize that the majority of such people are small business owners and PMC.
Yes and no. Yes because of capitalist realism, we are doomed etc. No because I see this whole worship of work as silly, we should be moving to automate everything away such that every humam being can live a happy life without toil (possible to be happy outside of work btw). I have a problem with the sanctification of work itself.
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The hikkikomori phenomenon in Japan got large enough to cause a measurable decline in profit? Interesting. But yeah people can objectively see that NEETs have no "value" in the eyes of the market. Question is whether their specific material conditions predispose them for compassion or not.
I was also referring more to this specific case of the user being outright disdainful towards NEETs by evoking moralisms found deep in the purest ideology.
Exactly, automation sucks under a system that doesnt value human life. Under socialism it will be based tho, all of humanity will be free of toil.
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I don't, I just expect people here not to spout moralistic neoliberal ideology about NEETs. I really don't know what the working class thinks of NEETs as an amalgam.
Yeah I remember arguing with some maoist on here about the same subject, theres a fine line between criticizing NEETs from a positive, humanist standpoint and being a "leeches on society" neoliberal eugenecist and to me the person who posted the original comment crossed it.
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So they were pissed because NEETs dont want a revolution? Wait I thought they were pissed because of "THY SIN IS SLOTH" brainworms since NEETs dont want to work and are thus leeches on society with the sinful tendencies.
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Its an organisational tool because I want to respond to what you say in full.
My problem with the post wasn't that the person was pissed, they probably weren't, my problem was that I interpreted what they said as disdain for NEETs and the late ideology of r/antiwork, therefore I was angry with them. However it seems that maybe they were expressing frustration with how difficult it was to organize and ally with r/antiwork for "revolutionary action".
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Cringe + L + Ratio
Cope, Im taking home a W. here, nobody can actually criticise the substance.
Nah it's more that no one wants to read all that shit and get into it with a debatelord who speaks like a le epic redditor
Lmao you think im unpleasant and overly verbose, fair, but you still have nothing else of substance to say because the real reason youre not reading shit is because youre scared of an L. nothing more.
I am assuming you see unemployment as a form of active resistance in the face of capitalist realism?
No I just dont like it when people go after NEETs because its stupid moralism.
Fair enough... My biggest problem with r/antiwork is that I would always see some landlord and crypto stuff being advocated. Passive income streams substituting for work. Not a huge contingent, but enough to where the mods should have been shutting it down if they had any principles (maybe they did, it's been a month since I was on there).
Idk, I see work like excersize... It sucks and can be filled with shame and self-hatred, but I hope it leads to a marathon someday.
Yeah nah landlord and crypto posting is total cringe, a complete lack of ideological awareness and yes the mods were too lib to be on top of things. I like the general message tho, a million people angry as hell about the status quo and its ideology. Either way whats done is done.
Indeed. On to the next pos online community.
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There's nothing neoliberal about wanting westerners to take responsibility for their lifestyle and stop taking advantage of everyone in the global south to make everything for them. What do you think is going to happen when the global south is going to stop making your treats for you? If the west wants anything resembling a first world lifestyle, they're going to have to start manufacturing their own stuff. There will be a lot of work to build a fair and equitable global society in any revolution worth its salt. This isn't about NEETS or anything ( I don't even know what that term means), it's about westerners taking responsibility for their actions.
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I agree westoids shouldnt exploit everyone else, for the record.
No investigation, no right to speak. :mao-wtf:
I think they're just saying that reddit in general is terrible for actually organizing anything and tend just be dunk tanks. Which is fun, but not something to get super beat up about losing.
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> accuses everyone of being reactionary
> Uses the words "cuck" and "soyboy" and "cope and seethe"
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Just log off and calm down, it's not worth it
I only accused 1 person of being a reactionary after they accused me first, and using the word "cuck" and "soyboy" is no grounds to accuse someone of being a reactionary. You just want to find reasons to own the person defending an easy target, NEETs so you reach and fish instead of engaging with the substance of what I say.
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If that's what you got out of NEET, no answer they give you is going to satisfy you anyway lol
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Oh so you're just a wrecker, good job hiding it this long
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I have never heard anyone use the writing style you do that wasn't from 4chan. You keep going strong though buddy, keep shitting on my "distain towards the unemployed" despite the fact that I don't have a job myself.
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So why are you defending someone who has some disdain towards NEETs?
First and foremost I'm shitting on you for your sophistry.
You only care about form, over actual substance, this is a very fucking shallow attempt at an own.