I hate to bring up the antiwork drama again and fuck that mod for being a sex pest, but before I heard about their wrong doing I was a bit excited to see someone who was trans, neurodivergent, not traditionally beautiful, and underemployed finally getting a say at something. For like a brief second I felt the least bit of representation. Then they started getting attacked for how they looked, for being trans, for not being an alpha chad roughneck oil worker, etc. and it became a shitshow.
See, the moment I saw they were trans I was like "oh no" because I knew that was going to be the thing they would latch on to. I honestly wonder if Fox News didn't pick them for precisely that reason.
A guy being cringe is just a guy being cringe, but a trans person being cringe is because all trans people are cringe.
A guy being cringe is just a guy being cringe, but a trans person being cringe is because all trans people are cringe.
That shit effects anyone who isn’t white and straight and is honestly one of the most obvious aspects of white and cishet privilege.
Around Christmas my cousin was talking about how they listen to various political talk radio shows to “get a broad understanding sniff” he talked about the right wing show, the ‘left’ wing show, and then He said “there’s a black political show” he listened to and that “the blacks were mad” about something and like fuckin lol, ok all black people feel this way bc some guy on satellite radio said something. :lmayo:
Your cousin sounds like this old friend of mine who I rarely catch up with anymore. He has caught the anti-woke brain worms. After getting called out for his narrow views (by a couple of his Exes) he expanded his purview by listening to “a Black podcast.” His choice? Bad Faith. He listened to the episode where a panel questioned Why White people liked the Beatles so much when they aren’t very good. He took it all very literally and responds to everything in a very debate bro, logic™ manner without seeing the larger conditions.
Lol damn I was thinking “well there’s worse ones than bad faith” but never overestimate a mayos ability to be fragile I guess haha
Whats frustrating is my cousin is gay but they’re from the wealthy side of the family so they have big “dude who puts ‘no blacks lol just preference’ in their Grindr bio” energy. Idk literally everyone in my family sucks shit lol
I honestly wonder if Fox News didn’t pick them for precisely that reason.
If they did it's smart on their part. Who knows honestly.
She picked herself. Fox just sent a request asking to interview someone from /r/antiwork.
The interviewer wasn't even cruel. He was oddly sympathetic. He just let her hang herself with her own rope. It was like watching a car crash in slow motion, the bodies jerk forward and slam into the dash.
Yeah if she was a muscular white miner no one would've cared about "representation". Hell they wouldn't even care about they walking dogs for a living. Clearly shows what the sub thinks about who can have a voice.
BTW there's a post pinned about wage inequality for trans people on r/antiwork steadily being downvoted as well.
jfc 37% upvoted. Fuck that sub, I'm glad they banned me from their discord.
BTW there’s a post pinned about wage inequality for trans people on r/antiwork steadily being downvoted as well.
Not surprised but still.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sfv4pv/americas_transgender_wage_gap/
Apparently so, there was proof but I didn't save the links.
a reddit mod got on tv, you knew there would be skeletons in that closet. She still shouldn't have been attacked for being trans or not being pretty.
Yeah there were screenshots from a couple years ago of when they apparently posted some fucked up not-apology on facebook detailing a bunch of SA they’d committed. idk if it was fake or not.
She makes a full confession: https://i.redd.it/sc41gqos44e81.jpg
Yeah like the :le-pol-face: seems a bit childish to me because it's literally just "you are ugly, therefore wrong"
I was legit pondering that emote a few days ago, like I get it, we all know guys like that but they should be dunked on for their opinions and politics not because they look like the Virgin Incel caricature
Edit: like that picture is of a dude, of a person, and I guess we think it's okay
IIRC The original picture does come from someone who posted Nazi garbage on 4chan.
The original picture is of a mass shooter who gunned down several people at a Walmart
Oh. I thought it came from one of those collages of 4chan hogs posting their faces.
I think that one's fine because everything about this individual's demeanor is a result of their extensive time getting mad on the computer. but then again, what am I doing right now?
I thought the Zenz emote was for like mocking anti-china stuff obviously written by him and not about how he looked?
hmm silly people would use it that way, I think it's original intention was to mock Zenz for being literally the only source china watchers keep citing to attack the country.
true, I guess lots of people need to change the way they use that emote ___
Ive def seen people dunk on him for how he looks. One post in particular stood out to me where they were like “anyone who looks like this :zenz:” :cringe:
There was an old thread with exactly this same struggle session and the point made about Zens look is that it is not just his face but the clothing choices, his glasses and his haircut.
He definitely has a stereotypical look but the point is apart from his face he can change all of those things.
Haircut? Grow his hair. Weirdo glasses? Wear contacts. worse case try different frames. Shitty clothing? He certainly isn't a working class person struggling to make ends meet, if he can afford a nice suit he can afford a better suit.
I don't see any problem in critiquing those things. If you didn't know who that person is supposed to be he looks like any normal white male with a shitty fashion sense that happens to look like certain other people with the same shitty fashion sense. None of that is inherent to him as a human being.
Literally who gives a shit how he’s dressed? The bigger problem is he’s paid liar
As I said this is not the first struggle session about the Zens emote usage, nothing changed since the last time, this struggle session is literaly the same talking point you decide if people care or not. I too think most people don't care about his look yet here we are again.
Meh more worried about the willingness to create propaganda tbh
I wouldn't say that :xi: is body shaming, even if Xi Jinping isn't conventionally attractive. It is simply a picture of Adrian Zenz and I've not seen it used for anything other than referencing Adrian Zenz.
and I’ve not seen it used for anything other than referencing Adrian Zenz.
I have a few times. I don’t think that that’s the stated intent of the emoji but I have seen people dunk on his looks using it. We can just call people out on it tho
Excuse me, Xi is the most attractive man alive and I'm going to need you to delete these heinous lies immediately.
It came from a compilation of mass shooter incels and they all looked like that
And after he murdered those dozens of women, suddenly people were like "he's kinda cute, why'd he have to do that?" Sickening.
I would very much like to see "manlet" banned lol
Like, it's not cool to imply someone is not their gender or a lesser form of that gender because they are short. This site will go all-in on being welcoming to trans people but if you're short you're gonna get made fun of.
Such a weird hang-up too. Like sometimes it'll be someone who's like 5'10 and I'll see people calling them short. I honestly can't tell if it's some weird projection shit or what.
I find manlet really annoying because I have been called it a couple times, usually by women while men would just call me short, despite being above average height. I am not a "manly man" or hypermasculine in any way, so being told I was failing at that because I was too short when I wasn't almost felt like being misgendered, or at least how I assume it would feel.
If I see a height on the internet, I knock off an inch.
If I see a wrestlers height, I knock off two.
Most of our commie heroes were short kings. I agree we should retire that one.
Yeah fuck "manlet"
I'm slightly above average height but that shit is just so stupid
Like holy fuck I'd like to see how those types treat people with dwarfism. Like are you really such a fascist that the particular length of someone's femurs are hanging you the fuck up mentally
The funniest shit is that in the US, 6 feet is a round number, so below that is supposed to be "short" for men. But in the rest of the world, even places where people are taller on average, 180cm is a round number and that's the cutoff - 5 foot 10.8 inches
From what I can tell we are mostly 4chan, reddit, and SA expats. I think there are a couple people from tumbler as well? Idk. Anyways, as such there are large body shaming tendencies within those forums, much in case due to strong liftbro cultures, both ironic and not. I myself suffer from doing so sometimes, but my general sense of body humor comes from men who brand themselves within a certain body type and are not that (though I do not touch body issues around women because I don't personally find them funny unless the teller has an extra-ordinary sense of irony (i.e. Cumtown) or is feminine presenting).
That said, maybe it is time to do something about it. I'm for accommodating people's sensibilities, but there is quite a bit of ironic shit posting on here that has body shit as part of the set up. I will say that a ban does fit into our anti-horny policy, but people ironically flaunt that too.
Idk how much it will matter, and it might just cause fights. It is something that may need to be left up to the community, or the mods can dictate it. Tough call.
Hell yeah, neopets. If we go that far back, it's like NationStates and Club Penguin.
Neopets? Jesus. I played that furiously for several weeks one winter before realizing there was no there there.
There is a general feeling almost all people in America (likely the West et al) where if somebody crosses a boundary, you have the moral highground to to dehumanize them. Everyone has their own different line. Chuds and liberals of course base their threshholds off of stupid shit like "you did a crime, now you deserve the punishment." "Trump's mouth is Putin's cockholster."
American leftists have this problem as well, where once we know somebody is "bad" then it's no holds barred on what you're allowed to say about them. That's how the Vaushes and such form, where racist and sexism is not only logical but moral if you are doing it to a "bad person."
I don't know exactly how to stop it, because there are evil capitalist scum out there. But when our "responding in kind" veers into racism, sexism, ableism, etc. then it's something we need to stop.
When you cast them as The Other it's gloves off and anything is acceptable. That's why Colbert's homophobia was OK and Vaush's racism is OK (with their audiences and in Colbert's case, the FCC).
/r/JustNeckbeardThings is particularly nasty as of late. It was always pretty bad, lately half the posts are just fat-shaming incels based on screenshots of text from Twitter and how Reddit imagines their appearance. I let the polface stuff slide because god damn if that isn't the face of suburbanite white male privilege, but immediately jumping to the conclusion that someone must be obese because they shared a misogynistic opinion on Twitter is some classic :reddit-logo: shit.
There are skinny neckbeards too, god damn it!
Ngl, this is something I've had to put effort into unlearning, like ableism.
Psychology is aware of this and calls it The Halo Effect.
"The halo effect is the tendency to make sweeping generalizations about people based on appearance traits."
the other day I said something about Bradley Cooper that I probably shouldn't have, I already deleted it but I apologize
That happens all the time everywhere. If you don't look ugly than maybe the way you speak will be attacked. If not that then other things like being an air-headed prettyboy or bimbo who doesn't know anything.
criticize people for their ugly opinions not their ugly looks (yes people this includes incels)
I don't understand that take unless you're saying they don't have ugly opinions?
Bullying is an effective tactic to use against socially harmful people. Do what you have to do, if they're ugly than attack the weak point for maximum damage.
Because people don't give a fuck what some anonymous person thinks about their opinions especially because there's always gonna be people disagreeing with you. the implication of "youre ugly" is "the people who know you think you're ugly" which hits much closer to home than "people you know think your opinions suck"
Copying my other comment:
Because people don’t give a fuck what some anonymous person thinks about their opinions especially because there’s always gonna be people disagreeing with you. the implication of “youre ugly” is “the people who know you think you’re ugly” which hits much closer to home than “people you know think your opinions suck”
Good point, "the people who know you think you’re ugly" has a way greater impact than “people you know think your opinions suck”, especially since chuds tend to care a lot for physical appearance.
I'd advise caution in insulting someone's appearance though. Using it against working class people without class consciousness could turn them against the left, depending on how sensitive they are; and in the wrong social context the one making the insult could make themselves look like an idiot or buffoon.
