i take agamatine right before bed, about 1.2 g. for some reason it does the opposite for me and helps me sleep, and basically cancels out the rebound anxiety insomnia i get for the couple days after phenibut. it's weird how stuff works differently for different people.
were you using the phenibut originally to self treat anxiety? i'm fucking weird because i originally used it as a stimulant, even if i do have social anxiety.
Yep, anxiety treatment when I didn't have access to health care. It's grown into something I really need to kick - I've quit Tianeptine cold turkey before which was fucking hell (one part opiate, one part weird fucky SSRI), but phenibut sucks too so tapering is the way to go.
And yeah, agmatine messes with your BP levels. I've tried taking a gram before, just didn't agree with my body for whatever reason. I take 300mg in the morning with some other stacks for mental benefits I take to help counter what the phenibut has done to my memory and stuff, but that's about it.
tia spooked me out, esp reading reports after ordering a tub (never opened it, it's in my "break glass if sucidal depression"). i'm guessing it was a fun combination of intense opioid withdrawls and weird brainzappy SSRI shit rolled into one? and you know i thought phenibut was good for clearing out brain fog but i think with my daily kratom i've noticed in the last year it's actually fucking up my memory
I didn't get the brain zaps, but it was about a month of insomnia and anxiety on top of opiate WDs. So, yeah, totally fucking great. Luckily I was only on the stuff for 6-8 months, but my usage got so intense I'd need to wake up ever 3 hours at night to shovel tia down my throat. At least with Phenibut I can sleep through most of the night.
ugggh. the ultra-short duration was definitely a turn off. i've always hated stuff with short half-life. i got hooked on loperamide (yes, it's possible!) to fight heroin/morphine w/ds because it has a 24 hr duration... it sucked as an opioid but long half life make such easier tapers!
I had half a mind to try an immodium high, but never took enough. Although I do take like 6 at a time some days since the phenibut use has wrecked my gut.
it doesn't seem to cross bbb for everyone. i took 48 tablets first time when in w/d and it killed the w/d and gave a buzz. feels like a sleepier methadone buzz, with a touch of morphine. problem is it's a pretty strong calcium ion channel blocker too so it can slow your heart rate down dangerously.
i take agamatine right before bed, about 1.2 g. for some reason it does the opposite for me and helps me sleep, and basically cancels out the rebound anxiety insomnia i get for the couple days after phenibut. it's weird how stuff works differently for different people.
were you using the phenibut originally to self treat anxiety? i'm fucking weird because i originally used it as a stimulant, even if i do have social anxiety.
Yep, anxiety treatment when I didn't have access to health care. It's grown into something I really need to kick - I've quit Tianeptine cold turkey before which was fucking hell (one part opiate, one part weird fucky SSRI), but phenibut sucks too so tapering is the way to go.
And yeah, agmatine messes with your BP levels. I've tried taking a gram before, just didn't agree with my body for whatever reason. I take 300mg in the morning with some other stacks for mental benefits I take to help counter what the phenibut has done to my memory and stuff, but that's about it.
tia spooked me out, esp reading reports after ordering a tub (never opened it, it's in my "break glass if sucidal depression"). i'm guessing it was a fun combination of intense opioid withdrawls and weird brainzappy SSRI shit rolled into one? and you know i thought phenibut was good for clearing out brain fog but i think with my daily kratom i've noticed in the last year it's actually fucking up my memory
I didn't get the brain zaps, but it was about a month of insomnia and anxiety on top of opiate WDs. So, yeah, totally fucking great. Luckily I was only on the stuff for 6-8 months, but my usage got so intense I'd need to wake up ever 3 hours at night to shovel tia down my throat. At least with Phenibut I can sleep through most of the night.
ugggh. the ultra-short duration was definitely a turn off. i've always hated stuff with short half-life. i got hooked on loperamide (yes, it's possible!) to fight heroin/morphine w/ds because it has a 24 hr duration... it sucked as an opioid but long half life make such easier tapers!
I had half a mind to try an immodium high, but never took enough. Although I do take like 6 at a time some days since the phenibut use has wrecked my gut.
it doesn't seem to cross bbb for everyone. i took 48 tablets first time when in w/d and it killed the w/d and gave a buzz. feels like a sleepier methadone buzz, with a touch of morphine. problem is it's a pretty strong calcium ion channel blocker too so it can slow your heart rate down dangerously.
Right on. Sounds like something to not fuck with then.
yeah. ironically the ca+ blocking and the strong opioid effect combined makes a great pain reducer lol.