yes lets believe bourgiosie propaganda against the Shining Path. You do realize that the same accusations against him is the same ones levied at Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc? The mere mention of Gonzalo causes terror in revisionist and opportunists who simply cannot imagine what revolution looks like in the era of neoliberalism
Look at the life expectancy over time for any communist country like Cuba, Russia, China, etc. and you'll see that despite the capitalist propaganda, life expectancy improved dramatically once the communists took power.
Nobody actually cares about Pol Pot, the suffering that Cambodians have to undergo for complete submission to the US Dollar and being stuck in perpetual poverty is far worse than anything the short-lived Khmer Rouge did which at least attempt to break that cycle not afforded to other imperialized countries.
pol pot was supported by the CIA, this outcome was a feature, not a bug.
Idk I'm willing to defend Gonzalo and mlms a little but I'm pretty sure pol pot was not it. I'm not clouded by bougie judgment I just haven't ever seen any evidence that the Khmer Rouge wasn't absolutely dog shit.
What if I do think that Khmer Rouge is not understood well by Communists and Communists can not historicize it so we let bourgeoise research cloud our judgement? This is the opportunism that lurks behind anti-gonzaloism as its completely giving up any type of truth and we just let reactionary discourses run amok since they were failures. Nobody actually cares about Pol Pot, the suffering that Cambodians have to undergo for complete submission to the US Dollar and being stuck in perpetual poverty is far worse than anything the short-lived Khmer Rouge did which at least attempt to break that cycle not afforded to other imperialized countries.
That’s a lot of words to defend a murderer who bastardized socialism and was funded by the CIA.
Gonzalo's own writing makes the dude sound like a quack. He keep talking about a "death quota" that must be obtained for socialism to be achieved, not like saying "violence is necessary for revolution" but literally "there is a specific number of people we're going to have to fucking kill to achieve revolution", and that number was always around like a third of Peru's population. Plus they engaged in a lot of random terror bombings in Lima that needlessly caused civilian collateral damages. Even if they were actual communists they conducted themselves in a totally ineffective and adventurous manner.
Show me where Gonzalo writes that. The reason why they committed acts of violence is because they thought it would benefit the revolution. Plus why are we retreating back to liberal terms? How does one mention death of "citizens", were they ronderos who were a reactionary force in the peasantry? The truth is that despite all these liberal accusations of Gonzalo, they were still massively popular among the peasantry and had to be put down by full force of the US and the fascist Fujimori regime. Ill leave with a Mao quote
" Revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. [4] A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another."
Really, were just repeating the Soviet accusations against Mao, they too thought that Mao was being a left adventurist in his revolution and even Hoxha thought he was Petty-Bourgiosie. It seems like we are repeating the Wang Ming vs Mao Zedong debates all over again
Show me where Gonzalo writes that. The reason why they committed acts of violence is because they thought it would benefit the revolution.
Then Gonzalo was a fucking idiot at best and (more likely) a goddamn CIA asset at worst. “Acts of violence” is putting it fucking mildly and is a disgusting attempt at papering over the atrocities of the shining path and the damage it did to the Peruvian Socialist movement.
" Revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. [4] A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another."
Keep his words out of your mouth. Villages of farmers, indigenous people, LGBTQIA+ people, actual Marxist-Leninists, and children were not “another class”.
Please stop, you sound like a conservative. "Won't somebody think of the children??!!?!?!?" Why dont you actually read who you're named after. I dont think you realize the reactionary nature of the ronderos and their class basis.
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19901122&slug=1105487 This books claims that the CPC killed 150,000 innocent civilians. Should we denounce Mao? Or hell even Stalin who supposedly starved the Ukranians. Or the Kim Il Sung for starting the Korean war leaving millions dead and splintered off a country
damage it did to the Peruvian Socialist movement
I would like to see you do a comparative analysis on the revolutions done by the Shining Path and by the MRTA. Why were the peasants much more receptive to the Shining Path than the MRTA and why did the former get so much more popular than its counterpart? What made the Shining Path succeed instead? It seems your assertion is the opposite of truth.
The mere mention of Gonzalo causes terror in revisionist and opportunists who simply cannot imagine what revolution looks like in the era of neoliberalism
Fascinating, the brainworms on this creature… You cannot murder the proletariat to build class consciousness, liberal.
yes lets believe bourgiosie propaganda against the Shining Path. You do realize that the same accusations against him is the same ones levied at Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc? The mere mention of Gonzalo causes terror in revisionist and opportunists who simply cannot imagine what revolution looks like in the era of neoliberalism
Uh huh and next you'll say Pol pot was a very misunderstood fella
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Look at the life expectancy over time for any communist country like Cuba, Russia, China, etc. and you'll see that despite the capitalist propaganda, life expectancy improved dramatically once the communists took power.
The Khmer Rouge, not so much.
That’s putting it mildly.
What are you talking about, they increased the life expectancy to 18 years old :my-hero:
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pol pot was supported by the CIA, this outcome was a feature, not a bug.
Ah. Found one of my students.
Idk I'm willing to defend Gonzalo and mlms a little but I'm pretty sure pol pot was not it. I'm not clouded by bougie judgment I just haven't ever seen any evidence that the Khmer Rouge wasn't absolutely dog shit.
That’s a lot of words to defend a murderer who bastardized socialism and was funded by the CIA.
Gonzalo's own writing makes the dude sound like a quack. He keep talking about a "death quota" that must be obtained for socialism to be achieved, not like saying "violence is necessary for revolution" but literally "there is a specific number of people we're going to have to fucking kill to achieve revolution", and that number was always around like a third of Peru's population. Plus they engaged in a lot of random terror bombings in Lima that needlessly caused civilian collateral damages. Even if they were actual communists they conducted themselves in a totally ineffective and adventurous manner.
Show me where Gonzalo writes that. The reason why they committed acts of violence is because they thought it would benefit the revolution. Plus why are we retreating back to liberal terms? How does one mention death of "citizens", were they ronderos who were a reactionary force in the peasantry? The truth is that despite all these liberal accusations of Gonzalo, they were still massively popular among the peasantry and had to be put down by full force of the US and the fascist Fujimori regime. Ill leave with a Mao quote
" Revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. [4] A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another."
Really, were just repeating the Soviet accusations against Mao, they too thought that Mao was being a left adventurist in his revolution and even Hoxha thought he was Petty-Bourgiosie. It seems like we are repeating the Wang Ming vs Mao Zedong debates all over again
Then Gonzalo was a fucking idiot at best and (more likely) a goddamn CIA asset at worst. “Acts of violence” is putting it fucking mildly and is a disgusting attempt at papering over the atrocities of the shining path and the damage it did to the Peruvian Socialist movement.
Keep his words out of your mouth. Villages of farmers, indigenous people, LGBTQIA+ people, actual Marxist-Leninists, and children were not “another class”.
Please stop, you sound like a conservative. "Won't somebody think of the children??!!?!?!?" Why dont you actually read who you're named after. I dont think you realize the reactionary nature of the ronderos and their class basis.
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19901122&slug=1105487 This books claims that the CPC killed 150,000 innocent civilians. Should we denounce Mao? Or hell even Stalin who supposedly starved the Ukranians. Or the Kim Il Sung for starting the Korean war leaving millions dead and splintered off a country
I would like to see you do a comparative analysis on the revolutions done by the Shining Path and by the MRTA. Why were the peasants much more receptive to the Shining Path than the MRTA and why did the former get so much more popular than its counterpart? What made the Shining Path succeed instead? It seems your assertion is the opposite of truth.
Fascinating, the brainworms on this creature… You cannot murder the proletariat to build class consciousness, liberal.