Even though I have autoimmune issue and worried about getting decent care.
I been thinking about this for a while. I get really angry, and wouldn't care what happens to the anti-vaxxer, but then I get conflicted because it is the government fault for letting the media like Fox News spread anti-vax information.
When I think selfishly, I am really concerned about getting denied care because of so many people refusing to take the vaccine.
god the first good post in this thread and it's buried most of the way down
morality isn't really a healthcare consideration. The obligation should be to treat people as best as possible and assign resources so they do the most good for the most people
Yeah but sometimes you gotta choose who gets to live and you need some kind of criteria, and that criteria is gonna be at least somewhat political.
For instance, there will ALWAYS be priority lists for organ transplants, since the organ supply will always be thin. There has to be someone who died recently who was an organ donor, who ALSO has usable organs.
you're dead and you have organs, you're a fucking donor
fuck the stupid opt-in thing
Absolutely. I have no empathy for antivaxxers, regardless of what led them to their decision. Their decisions (with the combination of shitty governments) led to people who can't get the vaccine being heavily at risk
I hope should you ever need serious medical care, there are no issues for you
Thanks, it stinks being in an anti-vax area. It gets really scary when all your local hospitals are filled and can't even handle heart attack patients correctly. :(
While they were failed by the system at large, I see it similar to refusing lung transplants to someone who wont stop smoking.
If you wont take precautions for your health, resources should first be given to one that does. this doesn't mean someone who can't afford healthcare, but absolutely applies to "free" solutions for health.
The longer the antivaxxers exist without consequence, the more they kill. Any protection of them is an endorsement of them killing everyone else. At no point will coddling them make them correct about a single thing they say. At no point will being the tolerant left reward us with anything other than a feral fascist who wants to kill us for things we don't choose.
No compassion, no compassion, no excuses. Plague rats are a threat to me and I think they should be locked out of the healthcare system they attack in so many ways. We will be dealing with the consequences of their insanity for years and for what? For it to get worse when they do the next stupid thing in the crisis they've intensified since day one. Fuck every one of them into the hole they chose to dig.
edit: Also, those transplant organs they're being rejected for are as rare as they are sacred. When there's a list of XXXXX people lining up for it and one of those people isn't willing to take care of themselves in a way that will protect the organ, they're going to live totally immunocompromised the rest of their life and they don't believe in germ theory.
At this point in the pandemic, with all the harm that has been caused by overrunning the hospitals and giving tons of people long-covid, I think it would be justified to turn away any unvaccinated patients that don't have a legitimate medical excuse for being unvaxxed.
Genuinely, just let the anti-vaxxers die at this point. Save the ones who are actually saveable. At this stage it just seems like a reasonable manifestation of triage.
You're right that this is a social problem that can't be solved with authoritarian measures or personal responsibility. The problem is two fold.
- Everyone knows that the liberal government and liberal media can't be trusted and that everything is profit motivated.
- Capitalist powers interested in dividing and conquering, or whatever other motives are allowed to spend untold amounts of money promoting divisive, and often false, information.
The people who buy into reactionary lines are victims of the system.
Do you mean the federal government's pandemic response? Or the post, because I don't think the post counts. If he said that anti-vaxxers shouldn't ever be treated you could maybe argue that, but this is a question that has to be asked because of the state hospitals are in.
People who post memes on Hexbear should be the ones who get the organs, all the organs.
Brb gonna make an organ castle out of all these organs
