Went and read the replies, and what the actual fuck is this argument.
It's not my place to comment on how people feel but I do believe that even extreme satire has a positive role to play.
Many people have no idea about the atrocities committed by the Nazis on the Romany people. This "joke" raises awareness as, I suspect, it was designed to.
Praising genocide of Romani to raise awareness is a new galaxy brain level I didn't even know existed.
This is an even more extreme version of the "saying the n-word actually makes it so right-wingers will take you seriously and listen to your arguments that are in favour of black people" take
apologies, comrade, I will report to my nearest brain deworming facility
even extreme satire has a positive role to play.
it wasn't even satire
"The only way to prevent the next genocide is to talk about how happy we are the last genocide happened."
Who knew the Shell marketing expert and the tax dodger was also a bigot. I wish him to experience a part of the suffering these people lived through.
What's annoying is that there really is a solid lefty joke in there, I just don't trust Carr or his shit heel audience to actually mean it this way.
Cause the observation is absolutely true: the vast majority of libs absolutely don't care about the deaths of the Roma, the LGBTQ people, the communists in the camps. Many do agree it was a good thing, you just need to have a few drinks with them and pass as white before they'll admit it.
Gay men had to serve their sentences for being homosexual after 1945 and in the FRG after 1949
I'm sorry, but I fail to see how the exact words of Carr's statement can be construed as a lefty joke. This literally just sounds like the 'raising awareness of murdered Gypsies' argument posted above.
No the joke is
euros don't talk about the Porajmos because they're afraid to admit they see the good sides and people might judge them.
It exposes the horrible bigotry of most people and at the same time their cowardice. Hypothetically
If you remove the "positives" trash and word the end so it's pointed at the bigots instead it could work as observational comedy. Obviously I'm not confident to make it snappy enough to be a good joke, but the material is there.
Something like: why do Euros hate talking about Roma victims of the holocaust? Cause no one likes to be put on spot admitting how much Nazi shit they actually liked.
It's pretty meh, but I'm not wasting energy trying to make it work and sure as he'll am not dying on this hill. Maybe you're right and the whole thing is unsalvageable.
i see what you're saying, but I think that's too charitable a take.
I think you're getting me wrong. I don't for a minute believe that this is the joke Carr wanted to make or his audience laughed at. They're all just racist trash. I'm just pointing out with the right wording and audience, the same observation could turn the joke upside down and make it much more poignant.
Any Euro who still has strong negative opinions about Roma people should be defanged and sterilized like an aggressive dog.
seriously, I can't wait to hear a euro explain why this is A-OK because see Gypsy have very specific skull shapes that predisposes them to crime
Fuck it, I dont even care that your "dear old gran got her purse stolen by a bloody g*ppo" anymore. Someone clearly needed it more.
Jimmy Carr makes jokes like this all the time. His whole thing is, "white guy says horrible oppressor things and audience laughs at the terribleness", which is always, at best, walking the line between making fun of the horrible take vs. simply promoting it. Often it's just the latter, you know many in the audience are laughing because they think women/the gays/whoever really are "like that".
There are thousands of Jimmy Carrs and that style of humor is now boring, formulaic, and slowly dying out. Good riddance.
Carr himself thought it was a good joke, saying that it was "fucking funny", "edgy as hell" and had an educational value.
The fuck is he, 15?
making fun of the horrible take
I have to admit I didn't watch the skit, I just read the tweet. Thanks for providing some context. I still think it's an inappropriate joke
All his jokes are inappropriate, so yes. He appeals to both the people who play along with the idea that it's a bad take (so that British libs that think of themselves as modern and progressive can laugh) and those who don't, which is where it becomes shitty. It should always be unambiguously making fun of the bad take.
Kinda like Chapelle only there's more "plausible" deniability.
I don't know whether to thank you or get grumpy for being introduced to another example, lol!
It's funny when he's a host of a game show making mean jokes about the contestants. But yeah, this is way off the mark.
There can be a good joke about the fact nobody talks about the Romani genocide. This one was just the regular boring shock jock humor.
Turns out the American bourgeois is pro-genocide. Who could have guessed?
Holy shit that's fucking disgusting. Why do all these awful euros hate the Romani people? (That's rhetorical, I know perfectly well why.)
No I don't get it. It's so illogical, Roma never did anything bad to these people. They have literally no reason at all to hate them.
Well yeah, but that's the why I wanted to imply. Because they're racist and the Roma people are a scapegoat.
They were originally refugees fleeing from India. That is why their language and style of dress is reminiscent of Indian culture. Over the centuries they have inter-married and their culture has changed, similar to European Jews. But the Roma are still highly stigmatized all over Europe and many never found a permanent home. Many countries never allowed Roma to settle permanently (or own land). From a Marxist point of view, they are basically considered part of the "reserve army of labor" by capitalists, as many Roma can't afford to invest in real estate, stocks, or other capitalist instruments, so they have to work for wages. Today, most employed Roma are low-paid service workers, working in the "gig economy" or other jobs in the informal sector. They are often super-exploited (like illegal immigrants in America). But there is also a very high rate of unemployment among the Roma, due to discrimination that is similar to how homeless people and ex-prisoners are discriminated against in the United States.
TL;DR: the all he negative stereotypes that Americans have about homeless people, Europeans have about Roma. And the solutions are similar: free public housing, jobs programs, and fighting discrimination.
Statistics on Roma employment: http://www.errc.org/roma-rights-journal/systemic-exclusion-of-roma-from-employment
Short video on Roma employment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m70pLQAtc4
Now now, the English hate Roma as well. Irish travellers aren't the only travellers in the UK.
Tbh doubt most here know the difference between Roma and Irish travellers they're all just g**** and pi*** to them
I don't exactly get what you're trying to say. In communist Czechoslovakia Roma where forcefully housed and tried to be assimilated into the larger society, so not exactly a good take
Irish travelers and Roma were the same thing.
They're not?
Irish travellers descend from Irish who took off for in reason or the other in the seventeenth century. Before genetic sequencing a popular theory was that they were a remnant of an indigenous population.
Under Stalin, I think, itinerancy was banned, some Roma were given apartments and some were pushed to start collective farms but didn't really stick.
If only we could exterminate these opportunist hackfraud comedians!
How many of the people agreeing with fuckface here have even SEEN a Romani person before?
I'm not even entirely sure who the Romani are all I know is that people want them genocided and that's not good
Is Carr not taking the piss regarding people's unreflected prejudices against gypsies?
