BREAKING: PUTIN ANNOUNCES RUSSIA RECOGNIZES THE INDEPENDENCE OF LPR AND DPR -- (*Meaning Russia no longer recognizes LPR and DPR as Ukrainian territory, paving way for possible military assistance or peacekeeping; and/or protection of its 700k citizens living there. - *ASB) pic.twitter.com/B5zLCXLH5K— ASB News / MILITARY〽️ (@ASBMilitary) February 21, 2022
it was going to happen eventually, Putin probably made it to slow down the escalation in the ukranian conflict, because now Russia can claim to act in defence of the separatist republics when they get bombed again
this is going to make the ukraine want to join Nato more
They can't though, as long as there's territory conflict, they'll not able to join NATO. By doing this, Russia cut off path for them to join unless they retake them back.
Is the provision that NATO can't admit members who have a border conflict real? I just heard that from a podcast about the russo-georgian war which I don't take as authoritative. If this was really true, then was Ukrainian membership ever a possibility since they don't recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea? It seems like a cut and dry case of "no NATO for you". Why was both sides of this debate ever taking this seriously?
States which have ethnic disputes or external territorial disputes, including irredentist claims, or internal jurisdictional disputes must settle those disputes by peaceful means in accordance with OSCE principles. Resolution of such disputes would be a factor in determining whether to invite a state to join the Alliance.
Like any other part of international law, it's mostly just a rule that is kept as long as it's convenient for the real powers. If you start looking at it as a natural law of the universe, it falls apart pretty quickly, so instead try to think of it as an american traffic law instead. It theoretically applies to everyone, however de facto it doesn't.
It's a really clever move, diplomatically. Now he can say he's protecting the sovereignty of Donetsk and Luhansk to counter the western claims that he's threatening Ukrainian sovereignty.
this is going to make the ukraine want to join Nato more
What Ukraine wants doesn't really matter to Russia or to America, unfortunately. It hasn't for a long time.
it was going to happen eventually, Putin probably made it to slow down the escalation in the ukranian conflict, because now Russia can claim to act in defence of the separatist republics when they get bombed again
this is going to make the ukraine want to join Nato more
They can't though, as long as there's territory conflict, they'll not able to join NATO. By doing this, Russia cut off path for them to join unless they retake them back.
Does this apply to Crimea too?
Yea
Is the provision that NATO can't admit members who have a border conflict real? I just heard that from a podcast about the russo-georgian war which I don't take as authoritative. If this was really true, then was Ukrainian membership ever a possibility since they don't recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea? It seems like a cut and dry case of "no NATO for you". Why was both sides of this debate ever taking this seriously?
States which have ethnic disputes or external territorial disputes, including irredentist claims, or internal jurisdictional disputes must settle those disputes by peaceful means in accordance with OSCE principles. Resolution of such disputes would be a factor in determining whether to invite a state to join the Alliance.
Interesting...so...Spain and the UK can't be in NATO, because Gibraltar?
Like any other part of international law, it's mostly just a rule that is kept as long as it's convenient for the real powers. If you start looking at it as a natural law of the universe, it falls apart pretty quickly, so instead try to think of it as an american traffic law instead. It theoretically applies to everyone, however de facto it doesn't.
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Nato invited Ukraine, who said they would join, and now NATO doesn't make it official.
"Ukraine, youre invited to the party but we won't give you the address." Makes sense.
America didn't like it when Cuba had missiles, why the fuck would Russia want the same shit near them? It's just more American hypocrisy.
:I-was-saying:
Will Biden recognize the freedom of all nation's to join the Axis of Evil?
It's a really clever move, diplomatically. Now he can say he's protecting the sovereignty of Donetsk and Luhansk to counter the western claims that he's threatening Ukrainian sovereignty.
What Ukraine wants doesn't really matter to Russia or to America, unfortunately. It hasn't for a long time.