WWII started when Germany argued for invading Poland to save German-speaking populations from Polish persecution and to prevent the "encirclement" of Germany by Western imperial powers.
Not wanting a relatively cold civil war in Ukraine to turn into a hot civil war or regional conflict doesn't make me a centrist. If Russia continues this sort of border imperialism, where does it end? Will Russia take back the Kuril islands?
Imperialist excursions of any kind should be condemned. All that Russia has guaranteed is not the safety of people in Ukraine but the inevitable ratcheting up of a proxy war. All for a warm water port - which we can both agree - NATO never should have jeopardized by backing Euromaidan .
WWII started when Germany argued for invading Poland to save German-speaking populations from Polish persecution and to prevent the “encirclement” of Germany by Western imperial powers.
I thought the above dude's point was acknowledging the "liberation" of german speaking poles as a flagrant lie by the nazis and likening it to russia's motives in donbass. maybe I'm just bad at parsing arguments and don't get what points people are making.
Yeah, they were also making it sound like it was the main motivation and excuse for nazi aggression, which isn’t accurate. It was one of the lines they ran with, but based around “living space” more than any kind of humanitarian reasoning.
Trying to compare nazi Germany to Putin is frankly gross, not a coherent argument, and also extremely insulting to anyone with family who survived the Shoah.
There are plenty of things to criticize Putin on without trying to claim he’s a nazi, especially when the Ukrainian government is literally run by neo-nazis after their NATO-backed coup.
I was just confused by the quip. I see what you meant now. I was following the exchange until I thought I was reading the other guy be like "so the nazis had this talking point" and you coming back with "but that's a nazi talking point" and at that point my brain short circuited and stopped functioning
WWII started when Germany argued for invading Poland to save German-speaking populations from Polish persecution and to prevent the "encirclement" of Germany by Western imperial powers.
Not wanting a relatively cold civil war in Ukraine to turn into a hot civil war or regional conflict doesn't make me a centrist. If Russia continues this sort of border imperialism, where does it end? Will Russia take back the Kuril islands?
Imperialist excursions of any kind should be condemned. All that Russia has guaranteed is not the safety of people in Ukraine but the inevitable ratcheting up of a proxy war. All for a warm water port - which we can both agree - NATO never should have jeopardized by backing Euromaidan .
This is literally a nazi talking point, my dude.
What the Germans claimed and what they acted upon are two different things.
Oh what the fuck, I’m disengaging.
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It’s frequently used to excuse or minimize nazi ideology and the very clear goals Hitler and other nazis stated from the beginning.
I thought the above dude's point was acknowledging the "liberation" of german speaking poles as a flagrant lie by the nazis and likening it to russia's motives in donbass. maybe I'm just bad at parsing arguments and don't get what points people are making.
Yeah, they were also making it sound like it was the main motivation and excuse for nazi aggression, which isn’t accurate. It was one of the lines they ran with, but based around “living space” more than any kind of humanitarian reasoning.
Trying to compare nazi Germany to Putin is frankly gross, not a coherent argument, and also extremely insulting to anyone with family who survived the Shoah.
There are plenty of things to criticize Putin on without trying to claim he’s a nazi, especially when the Ukrainian government is literally run by neo-nazis after their NATO-backed coup.
yeah
I was just confused by the quip. I see what you meant now. I was following the exchange until I thought I was reading the other guy be like "so the nazis had this talking point" and you coming back with "but that's a nazi talking point" and at that point my brain short circuited and stopped functioning