The only reason I need a refrigerator, stovetop, microwave, and sink I'd because I couldn't easily feed myself without them. Sure I could eat out every day but that's expensive and not very healthy. All I want is is two filling meals a day and maybe a snack. I already eat shit at work is a quasi cafeteria setting so at home what do I cook? Not well because living in an apartment makes it harder to cook, cooking for a single person is usually impossible because there's so much wasted food that I won't eat while it's fresh because of our buy in bulk culture. But what if every apartment building had a communal kitchen or two where meals were served on a schedule, it would literally set restaurants out of business and that's a good thing. Eating in a communal setting would definitely cut down on obesity and overconsumption. It would also be easier to make the people vegan since nobody can cook for themselves. Also if you ever had to deal with dinner table politics with friends or family that would probably end forever because neighbors and strangers don't want to hear your asinine opinions in everything and might rightfully beat you for saying something ignorant. Obviously no alcohol which would be good for society, no large portions, strict management of food. Oh and it's fucking free.
Great idea for fucking over people with food allergies, religious or cultural practices involving food, and minorities who don't share the same tastes as the majority.
Not everyone has the same relationship with food and imposing your criteria on others is not going to work.
Just imagining something like this is making my social anxiety flare up lol
I already don't eat enough (seriously, I'm like 5'10 and i weigh about 130 lbs) and this would just cut me down from 1 meal a day to like, 1 grudgingly eaten as quickly as possible meal every 2 or 3 days i bet
well the accepted practice at any communal gathering to eat such as a dinner party is typically to check beforehand what people are allergic to or otherwise can't eat and either not include those or make a version without them. This is a solved problem
I have a family member who will swell up into a giant purple marshmallow then literally die if their food is prepared in an environment where someone even thought about the very existence of nuts let alone contaminated anything with even the smallest amount.
Allergies are incredibly serious and extremely widespread to varying amounts.
A fifth of the population has IBS and it requires special dietary thought into every meal just to make it managable, with varying degrees of severity that lean into being completely and totally non-functional for an entire day for many people.
This entire thing will not work. There are way too many people with requirements that are solved by either making their own food or having extremely broad options to choose from. This concept is aimed at eliminating options AND their ability to make it themselves in a secured and safely uncontaminated environment.
Yup, this is me. I have a huge list of food allergies that will kill me (provided I don't get medicine/hospital), and am hypersensitive to peanuts. And even relatives forget this sometimes when making stuff for me.
Side benefit, is that I am now a pretty good cook, just since there's not a lot of restaurant food I can have.
a 5th of the population has IBS?? Thats either fake and stupid, or correct and insane.
How can 1 in 5 people have fucked up guts?
I don't know I just know the data because IBS sucks and it's right!
Nobody talks about having it and yet it's incredibly common. It's not particularly well understood though which is most of the problem to be honest, given that it's mostly a huge variety of different issues all lumped into one descriptor of symptoms.
I think you're seriously underestimating the different kinds of allergies and food intolerances that people can have. I have a severe, relatively uncommon allergy [not mentioning what it is because I'm not doxxing myself] where even someone walking past who had previously eaten said food can give me an allergic reaction and have me reaching for my epipen. Handling dishes that have been used to hold said food, even after being washed, gives me blisters on my hands. It would be impossible to create a communal kitchen that caters to every single allergy because people can develop allergies to anything and everything. For that reason, I think communal kitchens should be supplementary to home kitchens, not replacing them.
As somehow who lives with a person with food allergies I can tell you it's not a solved problem. People who have known her and cooked for her for decades will still go "Oh! I didn't know you were allergic to [extremely common foodstuff]".
Community run kitchens are a great idea, but expecting them to fully replace home kitchens is just setting them up for failure. The goal is to increase food access for all, why reduce what is already in place when you can supplement it? Plus, having the option to cook and eat at home means the communal kitchen won't have to meet the calorie needs of the whole area every day.
We should construct new homes with more communal spaces outright. Ideally we will reach a point where everything is communal property. Shared living spaces are nothing new but the renting aspect of it brings out all the negatives.
Ideally we will reach a point where everything is communal property
There's a distinction between private property and personal property. A factory, a shipping depot, an industrial kitchen - these are examples of private property. These are things that should be brought under the democratic control of the workers who operate them. Personal property - like, say, your clothes, toothbrush, mattress, or lucky bowling ball - has existed long before capitalism and it will exist long after it as well.
We should construct new homes with more communal spaces outright
I defiantly agree, although I think we'll probably still want each apartment to have it's own oven and fridge. At the very least, it makes more sense than keeping your personal leftovers in the walk-in fridge on the ground floor.
Every time I see people talk about creating a bunch of be things under communism I feel like I need to remind them that communism is a new move of production, but it's also not a Luddite ideology and the existing private means of production will be socialized.
Don't need to build a ton of new kitchen infrastructure when you can rely on the old ones and just turn all existing private industrial kitchens/restaurants into communal property. All you have to do is hand control over to the cooks and servers that you've organized.
That user's understanding of communism was more akin to an evangelical protestant who believes all woes will vanish once you make church membership mandatory. No consideration that this is a political/economic project that has to work within the real world, rather than some utopian set of rules that produce "Good People".
cooking for a single person is usually impossible because there’s so much wasted food that I won’t eat while it’s fresh because of our buy in bulk culture
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Eating in a communal setting would definitely cut down on obesity and overconsumption.
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It would also be easier to make the people vegan since nobody can cook for themselves.
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Obviously no alcohol which would be good for society, no large portion
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Youve come up with the worst possible version of a community kitchen
The best way to get people on board with communism is to say "we're communists and we want to take away your meat and booze"
Lots of apartment buildings in East / Southeast Asia have very inexpensive restaurants on the ground floor and people in said apartments often have very tiny kitchens and eat out 1-2 times per day at those inexpensive restaurants.
Seems like a pretty decent starting place - just make those restaurants communal / free. Lots of people love cooking for others, it's a good job and can be rotated. This also allows for some variety since you can pop by neighboring places that make other food rather than eating whatever your apartment community has decided to cook that day. Maybe your community makes great crepes and the one across makes great breakfast burritos.
It's how apartment buildings in the free world still work, the American backwater has developed a division of capital that restricts all services to one capitalist and limits mixing of light and service industry
Is this a bit? I've seen techbro kickstarter ideas with almost as little though put into them as this.
It's fine, just combine it with that billionaire guys idea to make student housing into windowless monoliths of corridors upon corridors of prison cell-dimensioned rooms.
Idk if you're talking about the people who agree with this post or disagree or just in general
Obviously no alcohol which would be good for society, no large portions, strict management of food. Oh and it’s fucking free.
Oh shit you just turned me into a succdem
brb snitching on you to the cops
Seems pretty obvious that this should be like a voluntary thing, have a cafeteria available but also have personal kitchens available for those who want or absolutely need it, like the examples of extreme allergies.
Also at least some of those suggested benefits are literally just forcing people into a panopticon? Like "You wont get fat cause everyone around you will be judging your every bite" is a pretty fucked up suggestion and also something that doesn't really work today anyways?
Also also, like objectively you're never going to be able to always have stuff everyone in the building likes, and if you're concerned about food waste you'll be limited in how many dishes you can prepare, and add allergies and cultural restrictions onto that and its gonna be a pretty big mess if the only way for people to get food is through the cafeteria. Just drop the weird social coercion shit and have some kind of personal kitchen available to people and shit gets a lot easier real quick.
just have one of these on every block or something based on latest census data for density
you could also add
- shower and bathroom
- clean drinking water
- a place to charge personal devices
- free wifi
- some bunk beds and/or small lockable storage units
basically there should be real community-based public amenities for visitors or travelers or just folks wanting a minimal lifestyle, and imagine how much social interaction in a community would be generated in such a place with no real price or competition for subsistence commodities
Pretty sure the Soviets tried this back in the 20s. I'd say it could be beneficial to displace delivery and takeout for people who don't want to or can't cook, but there's nothing wrong with cooking for one's self or household either.
I like having my own kitchen and trying new recipes, but practically it could probably be shared with like 5 other people in the same building without anyone stepping on each other's toes. And I'd totally be down to eat one or two meals per day in a cafeteria, maybe even volunteering to cook for a shift or two every week.
One of those people sharing the kitchen would be a complete pig though who never cleans up, dulls the knives and puts the cast iron pans in the dishwasher.
Well shit, you've just described like 3 of my old roommates.
We need re-education camps for people who mistreat cast iron skillets.
You don't understand, a cafeteria setting would have a group of people preparing the food for a much larger group of people every day, there would be no stealing treats from the fridge at midnight without there being consequences. Every morsel of food should be accounted for to prevent waste.
Accounting for every bit of food sounds a bit too Dickensian for my tastes.
Communism no food, right? Only grass-feeding in the pasture allowed. :greensicko-laser:
Do not trust this poster! They are a secret Bri'ish agent trying to ruin everyone else's teeth! Grass contains a ton of silica that will rapidly grind down your teeth, in a process called britification :british-maw:
Stay vigilant, and do not eat grass :nineteeneightyfour:
How dare you fucking insinuate that I'm a br*t, this injustice shall not stand! :meow-shining:
Yes. Yes. Yes. I want socialist canteens so bad, for every single reason you mentioned: economic, environmental, emotional, health, class camaraderie … I like cooking but I hate doing it every day, and I almost feel guilty not wanting to make dinner when I do have the time to do so. And again communal canteens just makes so much sense.
I think Mao tried it during the Great Leap Forward in the village communes. Alas it was probably too much ahead of its time in terms of the forces of production.
I'm all for this basically. Tho I do love cooking. Suppose however I'd be able to cook at the canteens for everyone without having to make so little and be treated like shit like the modern restaurant worker. Man I could like volunteer to cook for a week. Make my lovely red chili for everyone. Alright I'm on board.
yeah that would be the obvious way of going about it. Also by only having to by one version you could afford the really good kitchen equipment
Ohhh I like the sound of that. The best pans... A great range. Yes!!!
yeah that's a great idea.
Although there's no need for this strict management of food stuff or no alcohol on this scale a community can very much police themselves. You wouldn't eat all the food because your neighbours would think you're greedy and you have to live with those people. and while obesity would be helped it would be helped because obesity is a malnutrition issue not a greed issue. You also skipped one of the main benefits which would be fostering solidarity and communal spirit
