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  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Reminder that you don't actually have to be worried about the libs being "right" about this while you weren't. 90%+ of libs believed this would happen because they believe that any enemy leader is a cartoon villain who is psychotic, eats babies for breakfast and only cares about their own personal image.

    Making an analysis of how you think the situation would unfold based on shit like actual genuine cost-benefit and geopolitical goals and being wrong about that is always more correct than just brainlessly following leader focused propaganda that assumes Putin would do this because one guy in Ukraine called him a homo or something and that made him rage.

    • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I want to piggyback off of this, because I'm not sure if I'm allowed to make a post about this. One basic principle in both Game Theory and Military Studies is that 1-1 trades favour whoever holds the advantage, and failing that, whoever operates more effectively at lower resource levels. Radlib slogans such as 'it's possible to criticise both American and Russian imperialism' implicitly favour American Imperialism. Whilst you can say that 'condemning both American and Russian Imperialism' is not tantamount to say mutual destruction of two mechanised rifle corps, it is the principle that is important. In a media environment dominated by American exceptionalism, any sort of criticism of US Imperialism is likely to get washed away or buried, whilst criticism of Russia is likely to stick and stay in the public consciousness - in effect, 'criticising both American and Russian Imperialism' serves the same purpose as towing the State Department line regardless. (The same applies to China)

        • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I didn't mean to imply that China was bad. I would like to articulate my position as to opposing Russia is not a productive stance to take, though at the end of the day as I have no material stake in the conflict my opinion really doesn't matter. People are free to be anti-Russia, it's a subject that I think is quite nuanced (Russia is a useful meat-shield against Imperialism), in comparison to something like China where I feel recent events have more or less proved that it's a net good in general.

    • iThinkImDumb [any]
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      3 years ago

      You are 100% right, but it still sucks how the libs will never understand that and constantly rub this kind of thing in our faces. However, that is not exactly a big thing we should be concerning ourselves about right now.

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I didn't think this wouldn't happen. I was waiting to see whether the US followed through with throwing the first punch.

    • fusion513 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Idiots acting like it's impossible to be both deeply skeptical of "unnamed sources" in US intelligence given the track record.... and also simultaneously distrusting of Russian narrative given the whole Crimea thing.

    • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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      3 years ago

      wait did you guys actually doubt that war was about to happen once the US media started talking about this shit? the fucking US wants nukes as close as they can get them to russia and china.

      this isn't russian aggression. this is US aggression. there should've been no doubt about what the fuck is happening.

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      PSA: you won't be wrong if you stop making low-evidence guesses. The things that have been clear for weeks are 1) the US and its proxies were setting Russia up for a lose-lose situation and 2) Russia was repeatedly threatening that they were crossing red lines. That's enough to flip out and oppose the escalations that you can: the ones in your own country. We still need to be doing that. There's no need to try to guess where war will go right now, just to firmly oppose its promotion by your own country. You'll never be wrong about that.