Being told this is fairly reliable for info on the situation in Ukraine. let me know if it isn’t. https://liveuamap.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    CNN is just as obnoxious as reddit rn. Saying that the Russian army is totally routed right now and that Zelensky is fighting on the front lines. Meanwhile Putin is losing control of Russia and is on the verge of a coup. The entire world is in lockstep behind the Ukrainian government which are NOT NEO NAZIS.

    • PeterTheAverage [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      If that's true that Russia's military is that weak then the whole argument for NATO goes out the window, no?

      • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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        3 years ago

        the enemy is simultaneously weak and powerful hours. Strong enough to need NATO weak enough to be losers we're totally gonna trounce

    • MaeBorowski [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      It's such obvious bullshit. I don't fully get how the lie that "Ukraine is winning" benefits Western powers. Not that anyone eating up the propaganda will care, but when Ukraine really is overwhelmed and Russia is in control probably before too long, it will be clear Ukraine didn't "win." Is it just that it paints them in a better light somehow? Doesn't seem like it paints Russia in a worse light.

      • Staines [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        "They told us every day we were winning and then suddenly we lost." The Argentinian public got the same treatment in the Falklands war.

        Then the government collapsed.

        • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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          3 years ago

          This is a good point. You're not going to say "Well folks, it's hopeless" and follow it up by saying "we have come up with another 50 billion dollar military aid package." If you're a war profiteer you'll always say "you're so close to winning, but you need to sign just another supplies contract to ensure you make it over the line."

        • MaeBorowski [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          That makes perfect sense but I would have thought ifthe US or NATO were going to intervene they would have... Certainly would before Ukraine falls to Russia which is what is happening...

          • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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            3 years ago

            I mean, it's been intervening for a long, LONG time, though. Just not with overt violence from its own official military.

      • PrideBoy [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think the hope is it motivates support from outside ukraine which motivates ukraine to keep fighting back and getting slaughtered instead of just surrendering so people stop dying.

        • MaeBorowski [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          So the goal is literally just to get more Ukrainians killed? Why? I guess that would paint Russia in a worse light going forward but my god that's dark and still seems like a reach when everyone already sees Russia as the baddies.

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Like a sports ball game it is only interesting if the match is close, blowout victories are not "fun", this is the only way to keep people interested otherwise the war will quickly become old news, specialy given that nobody else will join.

        • MaeBorowski [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I don't know, especially if the sports game is going to be over soon anyway, it doesn't seem like it would sell it any better to keep people interested than just keeping harping on how Ukraine is a noble victim of Russian aggression.

          Maybe it keeps people from wanting the US to intervene, which the US is of course not going to do. So it keeps people (in the US) from being angry at their government wrt to this situation. I don't know.

      • jackmarxist [any]
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        3 years ago

        Now I understand why China banned foreign social media. The astroturfing campaign right now far larger than whatever westoids blame China and Russia for.

        • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          China leaderships are wise, they already saw first hand with the Soviet, learn from it and adjust it for their own.

        • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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          3 years ago

          People miss the impact of this as a matter of industrial policy too. China is practically the only country now with social media platforms that rival Silicon Valley in size and influence. The Great Firewall drew everybody's ire (somewhat deservingly), but the outcome is a degree of technological sovereignty unrivaled throughout the West.

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        The whiplash CNN goes from, decrying Russian state media as being propaganda then turning around and blasting their audience with their own. :nineteeneightyfour:

    • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      It's being said that Russia was scaling back due to the pending peace talks, which just fell through...