i wouldn't normally be concerned since any company releasing a VR product with this price tag is obviously going to fail... but it's apple and somehow through exquisite branding and sleek design they have managed to create something that resonated with "tech reviewers" and rich folk who can afford it.
what's really concerning is that it's not marketed as a new VR headset, it's marketed by apple and these "tech reviewers" as the new iphone, something you take with you everywhere and do your daily tasks in, consume content in etc...
and it's dystopian. imagine you are watching youtube on this thing and when an ad shows up, you can't look away, even if you try to they can track your eye movement and just move the window, you can't mute it, you certainly cannot install adblock on it, you are forced to watch the ad until it satisfies apple or you just give up and take out the headset.
this is why i think all these tech giants (google meta apple etc) were/are interested in the "metaverse". it holds both your vision and your hearing hostage, you cannot do anything else when using it but to just use the thing. a 100% efficiency attention machine, completely blocking you from the outside world.
i'm not concerned about this iteration as much as people are not hyped about this iteration. just like how people are hyped about the next apple vision, i'm more worried about the next iterations with somewhat lower price tag and better software availability. i hope it flops and i know it probably won't achieve any sort of mainstream adoption even if it's deemed a success because it probably can't get less bulky and look less dorky, but the possibility is still worrying. what are your thoughts?
I love spaceship games (think Elite: Dangerous and the like), and motorsport games. Anything where you're set in a cockpit is a perfect candidate for VR. All I wanted was a headset that would act analagous to a dumb monitor - simply provide vision and audio and head tracking (with "simply" being a relative term - the challenges overcome and technology produced to date is, admittedly, amazing).
But no. What we have are a bunch of privacy-invading face huggers. I shouldn't need to sign in to anything to use a piece of hardware that should require zero internet access (which is why anything Razer is also on my do not buy list).
So am I concerned about the Apple Vision Pro? Couldn't give a shit to be honest. I'm not their customer.
Doesn’t valve provide login-free setup and use of SteamVR for the index and the like? Granted, you’ll need a beefy PC for it, and probably some kind of storefront for most games. But at least no Facebook login strapped to your head.
Please let me know if you ever find one. Best I have seen are the ones without head tracking or laggy tracking.
I think that, in practice, putting a headset on is a big ask for most people. Phones caught on because they're extremely convenient, almost everyone had a use case that was improved by a smartphone, and once they had it in their pocket it was a short hop to using the phone for other things as well. A headset though? Maybe if it was as unobtrusive as regular glasses, people would put up with it - but even then, regular glasses are so annoying that many people use contact lenses instead. So if you want to put any kind of technology on people's head and keep it there all day, that's where your benchmark has to be set, not way up in the same size category as a motorcycle helmet.
Bingo. At the end of the day it's still something massive that sits on their head. It's going to sell well as a gimmick. But people will get tired, their necks will hurt, some will get motion sickness, and over time they'll collect dust like all of the others.
The fact is that vr technology is stunted until hardware can catch up, and by that I mean literally as easy as putting on sunglasses.
AFAIK there's some strides being made here, like I think there are see-through LCD screens that work in the lab but aren't mass production ready, so I can see the "final form" of this being a pair of glasses with the ability to put stuff in front of your eyes and all of the actual processing is done remotely by your phone.
...but even then, I think that lands the tech somewhere in the neighborhood of headphones, not the smartphone itself.
My biggest concern is that everyone will eventually be forced by societal and institutional expectations; for now people can easily choose not to wear them, but if/when your employer requires it for work or if/when the only way to talk to your friends is by using it, then you won't have much of a choice.
For example, Zoom has very shady ties with the Chinese government (and several reports say that they've used it to surveil and censor people), yet many schools and workplaces required it (and many still do now). You could refuse to install/use it, but then you'd lose your job or fail your classes. It's a similar story for TikTok, Discord, and Facebook before that.
I'm much more concerned about the very real and confirmed ties (see:
) Zoom, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, my ISP, my cell phone service provider, etc have to the security apparatus of the country I actually live in who have actual power and authority over me and a long history of murdering left wing activists.If you're in America, I wouldn't worry about the Chinese Government spying on you, and be much more worried about the American government doing it, since they can actually use what they find to prosecute you for crimes real or imagined.
But while it is true that you could get forced into using it by social pressure, my post is about how I really don't think that the tech has the potential for the kind of mass adoption that would create those conditions. You could be forced to use it by your job, but then when you're not working you can take it off - compare that to the cell phone in your pocket, which they can already use to call you back into work at all hours of the day, the emails they use to get you to give them free labor outside of working hours, and the other ways in which corporations have gotten their fingers into our off time I just don't see this as a breakthrough or a new threshold being crossed in any way.
It's not like they can force you to wear the headset.
Unless of course it's used for torture by IDF or smthn.
They sort of can! Likely, the ads will pause until you put the device back on or direct your attention back to it. Unskippable ads are rolling out on day 1, I’m betting.
I think what the tech implies these big tech giants want for the world is more worrisome than the specific tech itself.
They may fail with this iteration or the next, but why do you think they're trying so hard insisting this is the next big thing? To survive, capitalism needs to create new problems to be solved. The smart phone didn't solve any problems we had, it created a desire, which then became a fear (FOMO), then it became a need, which then finally became a problem if you didn't have one.
If you're homeless today and want to get out of it, one of the first things you need is an address, then an internet connection, and a smart phone. Why? Because most jobs require it to get a hold of you and in many cases to facilitate the software used on the job.
They don't need to convince consumers to adopt the new tech per se. They just need to convince businesses that without the new technological progress, their competitors will leave them behind. Then it won't matter if you like the tech or not, you'll NEED it to have a job and survive. Just like the smart phone is today.
They're directing us, telling us how the future will look like based off of THEIR vision, not OURS.
That's what worries me. Not this AR headset, but rather the reasons they have for insisting this is the future we are all heading towards.
I'm hoping to get an open source headset in the future with the opposite feature; augmented reality ad blocking for real life ads.
I could go around the streets of any city and not see a single ad. Pair that with smart adaptive noise cancelling that would allow me to hear the outside world, but remove annoying ads or other unpleasant noises like construction tools or leafblowers.
I'd love to be able to set up a laptop and have much more screen real estate by putting on a headset. The ability to watch something like game of thrones on an airplane without the 6 year old behind me seeing shit would also be nice.
The biggest downside of the apple headset is that it's apple and their stupid ecosystem.
That would be awesome. This would also be interesting for airplane construction in the future, not having windows means the airplane will be lighter, thus saving fuel and reducing carbon emissions.
I mentioned this in another Apple Vision thread, but that was one of the proposed use cases for Steve Mann's original EyeTap device.
Interesting, I never heard of the EyeTap, just searched it right now. I didn't expect someone to make something like this is 1984.
I mean, you can just take it off?
Also, regarding the adoption of the headset, I think it’s absolutely crazy to say that it probably won’t get less bulky. Tech is constantly getting smaller and that will be the number one priority with the headset.
If they can make the price and comfort level right, then I do think it becomes a mainstream product. Not saying people wear it 24/7, but that most households would have one, and it would become somewhat important for WFH and remote meetings.
I’m not a fanboy for Apple, but personally I just think it is the tech of the (relatively) near future.
it won't get less bulky compared to phones. the headset will still need lenses, a display which itself needs to be a certain distance away from your eyes, a board for processing, a separate battery pack, audio, wifi, straps, space for some airflow so it doesn't overheat and damage the display etc etc. small form factors have come a long way and it can probably get thinner, but i don't think apple vision pro is that far off from the physical limit of how much smaller it can get.
Hmm, we’ll have to agree to disagree there. They can 100% decrease the size of the processing bits and reduce weight.
I just think it’s very shortsighted to look at such an early version of the product and say “it won’t change much”. Especially when however many years ago you could have said that what we’ve got right now isn’t possible.
Disagree strongly. If there’s one sure thing in the tech world, it is the fact that electronics get smaller and smaller with each generation.
Do your part: sucker punch (or pick the pocket of) any tech bro chud you see wearing one in public.
If people are afraid to wear them in public, they’ll fade away much like the Google glassholes did.
because it probably can’t get less bulky and look less dorky,
Airpods are probably one of the ugliest pieces of tech ove seen in the last decade and yet somehow it doesn't seem to matter. Never overestimate apple's customer base.
Frankly I don't think most people will ever want to strap goggles to their head to check their fucking emails or even do any real creative work, and that's why this is one of the dumbest products ever to be shat out of Cupertino. No amount of iterating on the design will change this fact, and no, this will never all be contained in a contact lens or a normal pair of glasses because physics will still exist in the future lol. What we're seeing is the usual hype from fanboys, stockholders, and paid reviewers that will fizzle out within a couple of months.
People comparing it to something like the first iPhone or a smartwatch is also stupid because A) while one can spend a whole day with their face pressed up against a screen, it's not mandatory in order to use them, and B) those devices had inherent value to people right out of the gate. It's almost a no-brainer to see the perks of having a full web browser and responsive touch keyboard on a phone when you're coming from the awful hellworld of the "mobile web," static physical buttons, and the shitty touchscreens of yore. The fuck does a pair of ski goggles do to improve computing compared to my existing laptop, phone, or tablet? On top of it, the Vision Pro seems like the most isolating, lonely, and dystopian sort of device that, like all of the similar facehugging gadgets that came before it, will people off just by looking at it. Just can't see how this gains traction in any form outside of the nichest niches, and Apple doesn't build shit for niche markets for long. This isn't 2001 anymore; they're a multi-trillion dollar phone company that sells computers on the side.
Really wish Apple instead poured their dragon's hoard of cash into optimizing their existing hardware and software instead of this garbage. Hell, there's actually some cool gestures and conventions they've demoed with AVP that could be developed into a device that helps people who require alternate input methods. Imagine if they actually made the Magic Leap but it wasn't just astroturf! I fear other product lines will languish because capitalism is a fuck and they "must" go all in on "the next big thing" or else Tim Cook won't have a "revolutionary" product category under his belt to retire on and/or they'll be facing the repo men by the end of the quarter unless line go up 🙃.
In short, I wouldn't worry about it; this too will flop. The only way people are going to stop using their existing workflow and drop it for this shit is if manufacturers/developers stop supporting them entirely and go all in on goggle computing, which would be suicidal for the industry and probably be met by tremendous backlash from anyone who does anything even mildly productive on a computer or who values doing what they want with the gear they own.
I think tech reviewers are really naive for thinking that Apple Vision Pro is the future of computing just because it was made by Apple. Nobody wants to use their computer or watch movies in VR, except for in niche situations. My prediction is that users will quickly realize that they don't actually have any use for the Apple Vision Pro, and the product line will be discontinued.
I think VRChat is a pretty good counterargument to "nobody wants to watch movies in VR". I myself don't use VR or VRChat, but according to friends that do worlds with films are extremely popular. Maybe you think that's a niche situation, but nobody I've known that's tried it (more than a few people) has disliked it and all of them could just as easily watched it on a monitor. There are already thousands of people who sleep in VRChat, talk in VRChat, and play in VRChat. I actually know a really surprising amount of people that will sleep in virtual spaces, whether that be VRChat or just being in a Discord call.
it's a toy for hype-susceptible tech-impaired rich snobs. what's to be worried about?
NGL I saw the title and didn't expect much from this. Good effort post, way to change my mind on this topic.
Check out what these stupid chuds have to say about it: https://www.youtube.com/live/gseav7sgpks?feature=shared
If I didn’t know better, I’d swear they were doing a bit.
I’ve never seen a less critical tech review; never seen investment advice that was less trustworthy, more of a conflict of interest; these douchebags are willingly blind to the glaring cons of this technology. They have massive portfolios of AAPL and just go on and on about how great it is. I’d say shameful but we’ve been here before with Tesla and they were able to lie their way to the top. The Henry Kissinger of tech stocks.
“I’m wondering if you are the type of person who wants to keep it on all day”
NO ONE will want the embarrassment of keeping this on their face all day. This is like the Segway.
Ahahaha i forgot about how segway revolutionized the way to get hit by a car
This is like the Segway
looks at "hover" boards and e-unicycles The Segway is a bad example here, because it was really just ahead of its time.
