• AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Responsibility for this war rests with Russia and Russia alone. But that should not obscure the fact that NATO, led by Washington, laid the groundwork for confrontation with a series of missteps after the breakup of the Soviet Union, provocations that fueled Russian resentment and fears of Western encirclement.

    "Responsibility for this war rests with Russia and Russia alone. Except where it doesn't. I am very intelligent."

    • Kanna [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      This entire article is filled with contradictions like that:

      Ukraine led by Nazis? The president, Volodymyr Zelensky, who was elected in 2019 by a landslide, is a Jew whose relatives were murdered in the Holocaust. Though there are fascist militias in Ukraine, just as there are in the U.S. and other Western countries, Ukrainians have repeatedly and decisively rejected neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists at the polls

      1.) Just because the West curiously won't deal with their nazi problem, that just makes it okay I guess lmao. 2.) They didn't vote for a nazi, therefore the country has rejected nazism... except for those militias... which are okay because the west enables their nazis too... anyway, shut up tankies

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          There was an official Ukraine propaganda image of women in the army and one had full on Nazi patches on her plate carrier.

          • eXAt [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            That same official Ukrainian account posted a photo of one of their soldiers with a Rhodesia flag patch yesterday as well

            • panopticon [comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              Are those photos still up? I need receipts to show some people I know IRL who were blindly defending/parroting the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists' fascist slogans

              • eXAt [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                It's here although I think i was confusing two accounts for being the same one, the flag is on the last soldier. https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497101285690163242

        • Kanna [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I wonder why this is never mentioned any time western media concedes that maybe there are a few nazi militias!

      • plov_mix [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        have repeatedly and decisively rejected neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists at the polls

        Yeah right. To denazify, one only needs to :vote:

      • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        There's certainly no precedent of centerist forces collaborating or handing power to fascists which is why it's definitely not a problem.

      • Hella [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Zelensky defending the fascist Nazi collaborator and ultra-nationalist Stepan Bandera, who was instrumental in helping to carry out the Holocaust in Ukraine:

        There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine.

        A national survey conducted in Ukraine in 2009 inquired about attitudes by region towards Bandera's faction of the OUN:

        In Galicia (provinces of Lviv, Ternopil, and Ivano-Frankivsk) 37% had a "very positive" opinion of Bandera, 26% a "mostly positive" opinion, 20% were "neutral", 5% "mostly negative", 6% "very negative", and 6% "unsure". In Volhynia, 5% had a very positive opinion, 20% a mostly positive opinion, 57% were neutral, 7% were mostly negative, 5% very negative and 6% were unsure. In Transcarpathia 4% of the respondents had a very positive opinion, 32% a mostly positive opinion, 50% were neutral, none had a mostly negative opinion, 7% had a very negative opinion and 7% were unsure. In contrast, in central Ukraine (comprising the capital Kyiv, as well as the provinces of Zhytomyr, Cherkasy, Chernihiv, Poltava, Sumy, Vinnytsia, and Kirovohrad) attitudes towards Bandera's faction of the OUN were 3% very positive, 10% mostly positive, 24% neutral, 17% mostly negative, 21% very negative and 25% unsure. In Eastern Ukraine (the provinces of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia) 1% each had very positive or mostly positive attitudes towards Bandera's OUN, 19% were neutral, 13% mostly negative, 26% very negative and 20% unsure. In Ukraine's south (the Odessa, Mykolaiv and Kherson regions plus Crimea) 1% each were very or mostly positive, 13% were neutral, 31% mostly negative, 48% very negative and 25% were unsure. In Ukraine as a whole, 6% of Ukrainians had a very positive opinion, 8% a mostly positive opinion, 23% were neutral, 15% had a mostly negative opinion, 30% had a very negative opinion, and 18% were unsure.

        A 2021 poll regarding views of Stepan Bandera conducted by the Ilko Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation together with the Razumkov Center's sociological service:

        a positive attitude prevails in the western region of Ukraine (70%); in the central region of the state, 27% of respondents consider his activity positive, 27% consider his activity negative and 27% consider his activity both positive and negative;[116] negative attitude prevails in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine (54% and 48% of respondents consider his activity negative for Ukraine, respectively).

        An article detailing some of Zelensky's ties to the far-right in Ukraine.

    • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      series of missteps

      :citations-needed: relvant episode. It's alway "oopsie woopsie" foreign policy blunders. Not something anybody could have predicted, just "good intentions gone awry".

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          1 year ago

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        1 year ago

        deleted by creator

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Every American thinks 50-100% of our leaders are wicked ghoul pedophiles, yet when those ghouls do something terrible in the world, and come away even richer than before, it's because America made a well intentioned mistake.