i mean the protests did lead to that one precinct getting torched, which is one of the best things I've seen happen in a long time.
cant believe I watched a police station get burnt up live on twitch. what a weird time to be alive
I mean had there been better organizations leading into the protest maybe.
Like if DSA/PSL/CPUSA was an actual electoral force and/or a general union like the IWW was in place to be able to threaten a general strike then they could have worked with BLM groups to force their actual demands.
There wasn't, though, so once they started making people go back to work by lifting restrictions, Dem campaigns were able to co-opt the energy of the movement, and there was no labor threat to capital it wasn't really going to happen.
To be fair, the real radical leaders of BLM who could have taken the protests to the next step were all found dead by suicide in cars that spontaneously combusted.
Wait really? I thought they just got ousted from the orgs by liberals.
A good handful of mostly Black, leftist organizers have "mysteriously" died since Ferguson way back in 2014. Same as it ever was.
The problems of 2014, of 1992, of 1979, of 1968, of 1963, of 1955...
I mean yeah, but I'm just remembering stuff from my childhood coming back to the forefront.
there were some original ones under obama that got whacked shortly after and then the libs took over
No, not really. they are referencing like 2 ferguson organizers who died with extremely weird circumstances, nothing to do with 2020
It's more than 2 https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-ferguson-activist-deaths-black-lives-matter-20190317-story.html
Ok, what is the number of organizers that can be killed that will or won't affect future protests? I suppose you know that 6 isn't enough, if 10 had been killed is that enough to be relevant? Maybe it's 15?
Whatever the number so that people even are aware about it. The protests dropped in multiple cities for a wide variety of reasons and i havent heard a single person quote ferguson activists as the reason. Where im from they ended due to strict crackdown and public opinion massively swayed by multiple shootings that happened where shit was centralized at. And that was for the hardcore people. Popular local support (like the actual mobilized people who are not as massively into politics as actual communists/anarchists, the locals who dont normally get involved) dwindled quite quickly after it was apparent that the police were willing to clash and not budge at all. That and i dont assume theybare going to show up day after day after day.
We had our organizers and we didnt have the people, because quite frankly, it isnt the most populat stance to have in america.
Remember when Obama broke the NBA strike by telling them they need to shut up and dribble?
I agree I was just speaking on how it was at that point in time.
I know a lot of people who were radicalized by that summer.
You've still got to protest, it's just better if your protest is accomplishing some material goal like protecting red house, pressuring a specific institution to divest, recruiting people to a mutual aid network, disrupting a police guild (don't call it a union) meeting, whatever.
Also, for the love of god no more 1 off bullshit or ongoing campaigns that are fatiguing and have diminishing returns. You should almost always be: a) doing an escalating demand campaign, b) building an institution or c)preventing immediate harm or gaining some immediate benefit
yeah totally bro, i always knew protesting would increase police funding, that’s definitely why i didn’t do it unlike you libs
Excited for my kids to make fun of me with a :vote: emoji but it's the word protest. Also it's on cybermyspace where the hdmi cables plug directly into your eye sockets
Don’t organize, don’t agitate, don’t protest. Just stand still in your closet and hibernate until the class revolution has swept through this land and installed pure communism.
:bordiga-despair: me getting into the
sleeppodchair to await the dawn of a true proletarian revolution
it's more along the right lines than voting is don't tread on the baby leftists
It's good because the streets are the people's turf, anything that gets the alienated proles in one place talking and organizing and revealing their latent solidarity is good.
also depending on how it's done it an cost interests money and thus does have leverage behind it
There was a historic and huge protest movement that did not in the end accomplish much, leaving the essentially left-wing causes to fester and make people even more angry. Seems to me that the material conditions are kind of screaming that there will be a next time and it will be even stronger. There is revolutionary optimism to be had here, but there will of course be more tear gas and beatings before anything close to real change can happen.
There is no hope for America, not until every building in this miserable shit hole is reduced to rubble
