I don’t wanna. Debates are pointless and they’re not smart enough to process anything I say, so I just say “yeah that sucks” and try and change topics.
I don’t wanna. Debates are pointless and they’re not smart enough to process anything I say, so I just say “yeah that sucks” and try and change topics.
I just tell them it's bad and if keeps going it could become as bad as the Iraq War.
Nah they'll just counter that it will definitely be worse because Putin is a DICTATOR!!!!! Iraq was just an oopsie by a democracy, Putin is literally gonna kill every hot Ukrainian woman and then eat them.
Libs are a bit more clever than people here give them credit for, they always have a good counter. It's one you can't really pick apart because it relies on a lot of predictive thinking, they always think they know whats going to happen for sure, even if prior evidence suggests otherwise. They know if they just stick to this script you can't really beat them so they just keep at it.
Nah, they talk in circles and words have no meaning. Don't debate. And never debate libs, only bully.
Talking in circles and acting like words have no meaning is HOW they’re clever.
That's not being clever. Don't let them do it. Force them back to the core point. Make them answer your actual question, don't let them get away with obfuscation cause it's a bullshit tactic.
It’s clever cuz if you stick to it long enough people give up and you feel like the winner. It’s why fash have such an easy time unlike us lefties, they can hack the human mind by just being pigheaded ass fucks. Brilliant, wish there was a left version of it.
This is why you bully. If you have a vocabulary greater than a sixth grader and a functional understanding of 20th century history you can dunk on them and half the time they don't even understand you're making fun of them lol
Yeah, have you been in school and seen a chud get owned by the teacher ever? Cause it turns out the teacher knew more about what they were teaching than the student who decided to argue? Be that teacher.
My favourite lib dunk is from Lenin and it's just as true today: "Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity!"
Basically just calling them dumb lmao
I do get OP's frustrations, I've been there. It takes time and effort but once your there it fucking rules. A lib can say pretty much anything and I can say "that's wrong and here are 15 reasons why"
A lib won’t believe the 15 reasons, will ask for sources from “trusted news organizations”, and say you sound like Trump.
If provided mainstream sources, they will not read it and instead provide you with editorials from CIA and Natsec ghouls.
You just gave three examples of some very blatantly stupid and easy to counter arguments. That's not libs being clever. If you're being outmaneuvered by libs spouting this kind of blunt and demonstrable falsehood then you may just need to put some points into rhetoric.
They can always put maneuver you because they don’t believe in anything. There’s really not light you can shine in their eyes that will help them. They’re in that sweet spot where they’re just dumb enough to not see reality but just smart enough to build sturdy walls against it.
That's where you change the onus. You have expressed opinions that they wanna tear down, if they do so, ask what they think should be done and interrogate the shit out of their answers. If it's some non commital lib crap tell them sitting on a fence just leaves you with splinters up your ass. The walls are strong, but like the attempted border wall has giant giant fucking holes. It's an attrition thing at that point. What comes in there is having really good recall for history and theory, blasting people with well sourced info works crazy well verbally cause they don't have unlimited time to Google every sentence you make and pretend they have a gotcha, they gotta work in the moment.
Encouraging Libs to action is just encouraging them to do lib action. Honestly bullying them into being fence sitters is the best you can do, otherwise they’ll want to nuke Tehran in the name of trans rights. The only progress I ever made with Libs in being anti-imperialist was in convincing them that their well meaning actions just fuck things up, getting them to be passive was a victory. You can’t pill them on actual communism because they’re scared of spooky “authoritarian” leaders coming to take their treats away.
That's fine. Nothing means not vocally supporting the Ukraine and manufacturing consent for NATO involvement. Neutrality on this war is totally acceptable but carrying water specifical in defense of Ukraine and painting Russians as monsters is not only wrong but dangerous. We are trying to stop a fucking war here.