Debunking NATO propaganda and consent manufacturing means massively massively more than your personal relationships and comfort. I don't want to hear how hard it is to be called a 'shill for Putin'. People should have already been calling you a shill for Assad, for Kim Jong Un, for Xi, for Castro or you have been fucking NEGLIGENT AS LEFTISTS. If you're in the imperial core your primary fucking duty is to anti imperialism. Clearly a lot of you haven't been doing this. Now there are possible nuclear consequences and I see a great deal of you still too fucking chicken shit to stick their necks out for people living under the thumbs of America and NATO. Investigate the situation thoroughly and have an informed, consistent take based in Marxism and historical materialism and then REPEAT IT LOUDLY AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD DO NOT STAND FOR THIS. This is supposed to be a board of principled communists, act like it.
Read Combat Liberalism
Just because these non-imperialist countries and actors side with Russia (because of Western-bloc aggression against them) does not mean that Russia itself is non-imperialist, or that it can't actively engage in Imperialism in other places
Why would DPRK back an imperialist war? When have they ever once backed imperialism? Ever? Do you think you know the mindset and context of being besieged by NATO better than them? Russia and DPRK understand the geopolitical reality better than any western chauvinist in their bubble
Because a besieged nation needs international allies / trade-partners. They need to align themselves with a world-power to protect their economic and military security. When the Soviet-Union existed they could ally themselves with an openly anti-imperialist power.
The Soviet-Union has been replaced by an imperialist-capitalist nation tough. So because the west is actively vying for their destruction while support South Korea, and Russia is willing to opportunistically support them to combat western expansion.That means that it is a neccessity for the DPRK to align themselves with the clearly imperialist Russia
Blah blah blah find me one other example in all of human history of the DPRK supporting a single imperialist action.
Once you do, I will admit defeat to you. If you cannot, you must do more research on this subject and self crit. Because DPRK knows imperialism better than you do.
DPRK has close and brotherly ties with the superpower China, what are you even talking about
The DPRK condemned the Vietnamese counter-invasion of Cambodia, even after the Khmer Rogue had invaded Vietnam first and massacred thousands of Vietnamese civilians, and supported the Chinese invasion of Vietnam. They didn’t really have a choice in either of those, or backing Russia now, because Juche self reliance or not, if China ever turned hostile the DPRK’s position would become utterly untenable.
DPRK backed Vietnam and the USSR. China’s shameful actions and pathetic alliance with the Khmer Rouge is a painful sticking point in DPRK-China relations to this day.
https://thediplomat.com/2017/09/war-of-the-dragons-why-north-korea-does-not-trust-china/
Huh, what I read said otherwise.
Edit: yeah, our sources don’t contradict, mine says they supported it at the time, yours says it was a shocking realisation to DPRK leadership that the PRC so brutally turned on a close ally over so little, and it’s made them more cautious going forwards. What you linked never says the DPRK didn’t issue a statement against Vietnam, or that they publically condemned the PRCs invasion while it was ongoing.
If anything the combination of the two is evidence that DPRK leadership does engage in realpolitik, and has before issued statements that don't reflect their true beliefs. It would be honestly irresponsible of them not to.
Yeah you are right, I got too cocky. I shall eat crow. They did a bit of politicking back and forth during the sino-Soviet split trying to maintain the least revisionist allies, but there’s no real winner during the split. It just sucked and both sides did cringe things.
Seems like DPRK backed the USSR to the hilt until Stalin died, then swapped to Mao when Kruschev got in, then swapped to Brezhnev when Deng got in.
Late Mao and Deng did some really terrible foreign policy during the time that Kruschev was being revisionist. It’s lose-lose.
Yeah, an China isn't as strong or powerful as the entire Western bloc, so to combat western hegemony AES states need to ally themselves with non-western capitalist/imperialist states like Russia, wich while imperialist still need to oppose Western imperialism.
And right here you have an example of the DPRK giving nominal support to an imperialist power doing an imperialist action, tough i doubt they're actually materially supporting it
You can’t use this as your example that’s circular. Come on lib I ain’t got all day
Not only circular but it defeats their own argument.
Adress my first point then.
I don't need to provide an example of the DPRK tacitly supporting non-western imperialism because it's not relevant and doesn't actually prove anything.
No shut the fuck up and tell me when DPRK was wrong on foreign policy. I will be repeating this until you give an answer. It’s a heuristic with a 100% success rate, so if you are going against it you need to make a stronger case than typical boring chauvinist trot shit
lmfao get their chauvinist ass
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And I'm willing to opportunistically support Russia to prevent the possibility of thermonuclear war.
Read Lenin
Where does Lenin write about Nuclear war LMAO
Where is Russia exporting Capital to Ukraine? Where are they extracting Surplus Value? All I see is NATO weaponry, Nazis, TFSA, Belarusian opposition and western “volunteers” being military pummeled
He writes extensively about the concept of critical support and about what actual imperialism is in a book called Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism.
Yeah bit that's not the subject right now. They aren't doing an imperialism on Ukraine.
They're invading a sovereign country to prevent it from leaving their sphere of influence and joining the USA's sphere of influence. It's a purely imperialist conflict.
It’s not sovereign it’s a NATO putsche and they were building UK airbases (NATO)
You are being a chauvinist westerner and NATO apologist
It's easy to paint someone as bloodthirsty when you don't read the terms of surrender. Neutrality is seriously not a huge ask
Ukrainians aren’t fighting to defend their sovereignty and nation, they are fighting to defend their 8-year old NATO backed Nazi regime. I hope they surrender as soon as possible to minimize loss of life
Fully agree. I guess wanting to minimize casualties is imperialism now
I like China’s position, they are playing the good cop. They can negotiate peace, rebuild Ukraine and Russia, drag both away from the west and create a new multipolar world along with Africa, South America and the Middle East. I hope a mutually beneficial peace can be brokered soon and Russia can achieve its security objectives while Ukraine can remain territorially sovereign, albeit without Crimea or Donbas.
I'm maybe not seeing it cause I'm in canada but I would like to hope that non aligned nations will see how NATO absolutely used Ukraine for its own ends and then threw its people under the tank treads is being noticed.
Brazil, Saudi Arabia, India. These 3 are the ones up in the air right now. They have expressed distaste, but will not sanction in any way. India is a very complex place, I will say there is much hope there and much reactionary misery and it’s hard to judge where they are going to fall between Russia/China vs. EU/Anglo-American Empire.
Brazil too, even with the disgusting pig Bolsonaro in power they are remaining relatively neutral. If Lula gets in then that’s an easy win for our side and will steer Brazil towards Russia/China.
Saudi Arabia is totally gonna go with the west let’s not kid ourselves. Surprised with how neutral Israel and Saudi Arabia have acted. Thought they would both go into the west camp immediately?
I've got a co-worker from India that I've got a good rapport with. His take was pretty much the same as ours minus communism. It was just nice to hear someone IRL that wasn't all in on Russia is a Bond Villain. What I meant was more how non aligned nations would trust or work with nato down the line after all this.
I’m not just talking alignment in this conflict. I think we are seeing the birth of a new multipolar world order. Russia and China are both dumping USD and Russia is re-organizing its economy into warmode. I think for a while nations are going to feel immense pressure to pick sides, at least US will push that
Capitalist vs capitalist cold war. Yeah that seems about right for our current times
More like Imperialist vs. Anti-imperialist Cold War with Russia happening to be the primary bulwark due to its position next to Europe. Poor Russia. They have to always be the ones to defend against the demons from the west. They always pay so high a price. I’m glad they picked the right side despite being capitalists.
I guess capitalist competition is better than monopoly. A new Cold War would give me fomo for the first one where my support didn't have as many asterisks
Yah the anti-fascist conference Russia is holding where they invited all their worst reactionary allies + China was major wtf
Why couldn’t they have invited all their based socialist allies like DPRK, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba, etc?
Cause Russia still isn't Good Guy country, they just happen to be more correct here.
How can it become Good Guy country, any progressive revolution will surely be coopted by western capital. Reforms during wartime can be quick and massive in scale. It’s theoretically possible Russia could become some type of war state capitalism that resembles the PRC.
Don’t think Putin is the one to do it. Maybe they can be a communist movement for his successor soon. I dunno.
I agree. Was just stating the here and now of it.
Thanks for doing replies I would make for me.
Nowhere did i support NATO aggression or expansion, so i don't know why you accused me of that.
You're doing the exact same thing as Westerners who accuse anybody who is anti-NATO of being "putinists"
Besides, just because the west does imperialism in Ukraine doesn't mean that it's not Imperialism when Russia does the same thing.
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up Liberal
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You are going to be here whining when “imperialist” DPRK reunites with the South and expels the colonialists. You are going to be whining about “imperialist” China when they reclaim Taipei. You will be whining about “imperialist” Palestine and their allies when they destroy Israel. You are going to be whining about “imperialist” Cuba when they retake Guantanamo.
Fighting NATO outposts is not the same as imperialism.
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“Legitimate territory that was stolen” who is the irredentist nationalist now?
The reason why fighting imperialism is good isn’t to restore your sacred lands dipshit. It’s to DESTROY THE EMPIRE. Ukraine is being turned into a fortified base of the empire. Simple as.
Did you just completely flip the argument you where makimg because i agreed with you that AES states taking former terrirtory isn't imperialism and didn't fit your made up strawman?
Besides imperialist nations can, and have many times in history destroyed empire before. They have simply replaced it with another one, wich is 100% Russias intention in this conflict.
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No Putin doesn’t give a fuck about that. Dude just doesn’t want American nukes in the country next to him.
Saying it's Russians goal seems a bit ambitious. I think they just want the disputed territory and Ukraine to be neutral and fuck off. NATO is showing its whole association to the rest of the world which works for that idea but it's also fanning the flames of NATO support within NATO countries. I doubt that's being seen as a net positive for Putin but that's also kind of a thing there. If he were acting totally based on being an evil oligarch then how does he benefit financially or materially in any personal or national way from this increase in tension? It was probably seen as necessary but risky cause it is.
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It's high risk high reward and it was a forced hand as well. Only time will tell
Yes, because Russia isn't doing this to restore full democracy and sovereignty to Ukraine, but simply to bring them under their influence. Russia only opposes NATO because it stands in the way of it's own imperial project. Not out of an ideological opposition to al imperialist actions.
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Holy fuck the :brainworms: on this one. They don’t want a hostile country to put nukes at their front door. Imagine the response if Mexico entered into a military alliance with China and then the Chinese military put missiles right on the Texan border lol
Agreed.
Or like, the USSR put missiles on Cuba. Luckily these things are mere thought experiments :thinkin-lenin:
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That isn't the only reason Russia opposes nato. Don't be naive.
No I have always been consistent. Military resistance against the expansion of the imperialist hegemony is anti-imperialist and based. Always. In all cases. Whether that’s seizing back land they stole or invading to destroy their forward positions or stopping a coup (or reversing one).
No you’re just a liberal lol