Debunking NATO propaganda and consent manufacturing means massively massively more than your personal relationships and comfort. I don't want to hear how hard it is to be called a 'shill for Putin'. People should have already been calling you a shill for Assad, for Kim Jong Un, for Xi, for Castro or you have been fucking NEGLIGENT AS LEFTISTS. If you're in the imperial core your primary fucking duty is to anti imperialism. Clearly a lot of you haven't been doing this. Now there are possible nuclear consequences and I see a great deal of you still too fucking chicken shit to stick their necks out for people living under the thumbs of America and NATO. Investigate the situation thoroughly and have an informed, consistent take based in Marxism and historical materialism and then REPEAT IT LOUDLY AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD DO NOT STAND FOR THIS. This is supposed to be a board of principled communists, act like it.
Read Combat Liberalism
It’s not sovereign it’s a NATO putsche and they were building UK airbases (NATO)
You are being a chauvinist westerner and NATO apologist
It's easy to paint someone as bloodthirsty when you don't read the terms of surrender. Neutrality is seriously not a huge ask
Ukrainians aren’t fighting to defend their sovereignty and nation, they are fighting to defend their 8-year old NATO backed Nazi regime. I hope they surrender as soon as possible to minimize loss of life
Fully agree. I guess wanting to minimize casualties is imperialism now
I like China’s position, they are playing the good cop. They can negotiate peace, rebuild Ukraine and Russia, drag both away from the west and create a new multipolar world along with Africa, South America and the Middle East. I hope a mutually beneficial peace can be brokered soon and Russia can achieve its security objectives while Ukraine can remain territorially sovereign, albeit without Crimea or Donbas.
I'm maybe not seeing it cause I'm in canada but I would like to hope that non aligned nations will see how NATO absolutely used Ukraine for its own ends and then threw its people under the tank treads is being noticed.
Brazil, Saudi Arabia, India. These 3 are the ones up in the air right now. They have expressed distaste, but will not sanction in any way. India is a very complex place, I will say there is much hope there and much reactionary misery and it’s hard to judge where they are going to fall between Russia/China vs. EU/Anglo-American Empire.
Brazil too, even with the disgusting pig Bolsonaro in power they are remaining relatively neutral. If Lula gets in then that’s an easy win for our side and will steer Brazil towards Russia/China.
Saudi Arabia is totally gonna go with the west let’s not kid ourselves. Surprised with how neutral Israel and Saudi Arabia have acted. Thought they would both go into the west camp immediately?
I've got a co-worker from India that I've got a good rapport with. His take was pretty much the same as ours minus communism. It was just nice to hear someone IRL that wasn't all in on Russia is a Bond Villain. What I meant was more how non aligned nations would trust or work with nato down the line after all this.
I’m not just talking alignment in this conflict. I think we are seeing the birth of a new multipolar world order. Russia and China are both dumping USD and Russia is re-organizing its economy into warmode. I think for a while nations are going to feel immense pressure to pick sides, at least US will push that
Capitalist vs capitalist cold war. Yeah that seems about right for our current times
More like Imperialist vs. Anti-imperialist Cold War with Russia happening to be the primary bulwark due to its position next to Europe. Poor Russia. They have to always be the ones to defend against the demons from the west. They always pay so high a price. I’m glad they picked the right side despite being capitalists.
I guess capitalist competition is better than monopoly. A new Cold War would give me fomo for the first one where my support didn't have as many asterisks
Yah the anti-fascist conference Russia is holding where they invited all their worst reactionary allies + China was major wtf
Why couldn’t they have invited all their based socialist allies like DPRK, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba, etc?
Cause Russia still isn't Good Guy country, they just happen to be more correct here.
How can it become Good Guy country, any progressive revolution will surely be coopted by western capital. Reforms during wartime can be quick and massive in scale. It’s theoretically possible Russia could become some type of war state capitalism that resembles the PRC.
Don’t think Putin is the one to do it. Maybe they can be a communist movement for his successor soon. I dunno.
I agree. Was just stating the here and now of it.
Thanks for doing replies I would make for me.
Nowhere did i support NATO aggression or expansion, so i don't know why you accused me of that.
You're doing the exact same thing as Westerners who accuse anybody who is anti-NATO of being "putinists"
Besides, just because the west does imperialism in Ukraine doesn't mean that it's not Imperialism when Russia does the same thing.
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up Liberal
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You are going to be here whining when “imperialist” DPRK reunites with the South and expels the colonialists. You are going to be whining about “imperialist” China when they reclaim Taipei. You will be whining about “imperialist” Palestine and their allies when they destroy Israel. You are going to be whining about “imperialist” Cuba when they retake Guantanamo.
Fighting NATO outposts is not the same as imperialism.
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“Legitimate territory that was stolen” who is the irredentist nationalist now?
The reason why fighting imperialism is good isn’t to restore your sacred lands dipshit. It’s to DESTROY THE EMPIRE. Ukraine is being turned into a fortified base of the empire. Simple as.
Did you just completely flip the argument you where makimg because i agreed with you that AES states taking former terrirtory isn't imperialism and didn't fit your made up strawman?
Besides imperialist nations can, and have many times in history destroyed empire before. They have simply replaced it with another one, wich is 100% Russias intention in this conflict.
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Saying it's Russians goal seems a bit ambitious. I think they just want the disputed territory and Ukraine to be neutral and fuck off. NATO is showing its whole association to the rest of the world which works for that idea but it's also fanning the flames of NATO support within NATO countries. I doubt that's being seen as a net positive for Putin but that's also kind of a thing there. If he were acting totally based on being an evil oligarch then how does he benefit financially or materially in any personal or national way from this increase in tension? It was probably seen as necessary but risky cause it is.
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It's high risk high reward and it was a forced hand as well. Only time will tell
No Putin doesn’t give a fuck about that. Dude just doesn’t want American nukes in the country next to him.
Yes, because Russia isn't doing this to restore full democracy and sovereignty to Ukraine, but simply to bring them under their influence. Russia only opposes NATO because it stands in the way of it's own imperial project. Not out of an ideological opposition to al imperialist actions.
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Holy fuck the :brainworms: on this one. They don’t want a hostile country to put nukes at their front door. Imagine the response if Mexico entered into a military alliance with China and then the Chinese military put missiles right on the Texan border lol
Agreed.
Or like, the USSR put missiles on Cuba. Luckily these things are mere thought experiments :thinkin-lenin:
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That isn't the only reason Russia opposes nato. Don't be naive.
No I have always been consistent. Military resistance against the expansion of the imperialist hegemony is anti-imperialist and based. Always. In all cases. Whether that’s seizing back land they stole or invading to destroy their forward positions or stopping a coup (or reversing one).
No you’re just a liberal lol