Debunking NATO propaganda and consent manufacturing means massively massively more than your personal relationships and comfort. I don't want to hear how hard it is to be called a 'shill for Putin'. People should have already been calling you a shill for Assad, for Kim Jong Un, for Xi, for Castro or you have been fucking NEGLIGENT AS LEFTISTS. If you're in the imperial core your primary fucking duty is to anti imperialism. Clearly a lot of you haven't been doing this. Now there are possible nuclear consequences and I see a great deal of you still too fucking chicken shit to stick their necks out for people living under the thumbs of America and NATO. Investigate the situation thoroughly and have an informed, consistent take based in Marxism and historical materialism and then REPEAT IT LOUDLY AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD DO NOT STAND FOR THIS. This is supposed to be a board of principled communists, act like it.

Read Combat Liberalism

  • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Destroy your personal relationships to win brownie points with a bunch of internet weirdos or else you're not a real communist!

    Shut the fuck up lib

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      A lot of people come to site and complain about their family or friends being chuds/libs. As far as I am concerned there is a definitely a limit to having relationships that are just maintenance and no benefits and a lot of people end up in the closet not wanting to close those relationships because it is socially wrong somehow.

      Telling your fucking chud boomer father to fuck off for life is perfectly fine, I wouldn't pass any judgement on that. But there are people that couldn't do it even if those people are truly horrible human beings.

      The only thing I'll say is, good joke but keeping toxic relationships may not be worth it period. Like realy real life isn't an RPG don't fall into the trap of collecting friendship points just for the sake of it.

      • Civility [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Combat Liberalism doesn’t explain anything.

        It’s literally just 1000 words of Mao saying, “These things are liberalism, Liberalism is bad, don’t do these things”

        • regularassbitch [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          it offers definitions of liberalism that apply directly to what we are seeing here. personally I agree with those definitions. you can choose not to, I really don't care either way

          • Civility [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            It has some really strong points but I think it’s far less useful to modern day imperial core commies who were radicalised on the internet than it was to Chinese peasants turning their villages into PLA cadres 1937.

            Like, I’m pretty sure it says you’re a liberal if you don’t stop and yell at every cop, bank teller and business owner you see then spend the rest of the day getting into twitterfights with blue checks, and I don’t think either of those go far towards building communism or even leading a sustainable life.

            • regularassbitch [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              you're definitely right about the intensity with which it says you should act but I think it's important to take those points and adapt them to modern day circumstances. it really isn't asking a lot to challenge the propaganda a majority of the people you know are reading, even if it ends up being futile. I get where you're coming from entirely but I also have to put my foot down and reiterate how important I think it is to challenge these narratives, at least when it won't ruin your life to do so

              • Civility [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                :100-com:

                I think it still applies really well within a communist organisation, which is the context it was written in, and 5, 9, 10 & 11 are just good advice in general, but 1, 3, 6 and especially 8 can be actively harmful in a modern, non org context.

      • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I've read it already. It doesn't really apply to Americans/westerners in 2022 who are about a million times more alienated from the people around them than Chinese peasants from 100 years ago and therefore can't really afford to burn bridges socially. This post is stupid as fuck

        • regularassbitch [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          you're making a value judgment on whether or not you can afford to burn bridges. nobody is asking you to sacrifice your livelihood or cut everyone off for disagreeing but the absolute least you can do is offer a dissenting opinion. if you feel that's too much you are a liberal as defined in the work. it's literally that simple

          • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Don't really see how being alienated makes someone a liberal but if that's what you want to tell yourself, be my guest

            • regularassbitch [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              that's not what I said. you're worked up by the vitriolic OP and I get that but saying "hey, NATO also had a big part in starting this up" is not a big ask here

              • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                That's exactly what you were implying, it's pretty cowardly to back away from it so quickly. Goodbye

                • regularassbitch [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  I think it's a bad idea to try to strongarm someone into self-sacrifice for the greater good, especially when you do it online with a pissed off tone. that being said, if you don't want to do anything at all as a leftist because you're afraid of consequences you're basically just in it for the aesthetic

                    • regularassbitch [she/her]
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                      3 years ago

                      I agree with your point for sure. if you live in the US the worst that can happen is you have someone get pissed off at you for what you said. like people are actually dying so making your friends and family say "hey I actually don't give a fuck, shut up" is relatively not that bad

    • skyhighfly [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

      - Mao Zedong, Combat Liberalism

      • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, I've read combat liberalism already. It needs to be interpreted differently by a westerner in 2022 than by the Chinese peasants it was originally written for, because our material conditions are different from theirs, namely we have drastically fewer and less secure social bonds. The fact that this needs to be explained is baffling, honestly.

        • skyhighfly [he/him]
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          To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. [...] This is one type of liberalism.

          • Civility [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            III. OPPOSE BOOK WORSHIP

            Whatever is written in a book is right — such is still the mentality of culturally backward Chinese peasants. Strangely enough, within the Communist Party there are also people who always say in a discussion, "Show me where it's written in the book." When we say that a directive of a higher organ of leadership is correct, that is not just because it comes from "a higher organ of leadership" but because its contents conform with both the objective and subjective circumstances of the struggle and meet its requirements. It is quite wrong to take a formalistic attitude and blindly carry out directives without discussing and examining them in the light of actual conditions simply because they come from a higher organ. It is the mischief done by this formalism which explains why the line and tactics of the Party do not take deeper root among the masses. To carry out a directive of a higher organ blindly, and seemingly without any disagreement, is not really to carry it out but is the most artful way of opposing or sabotaging it.

            The method of studying the social sciences exclusively from the book is likewise extremely dangerous and may even lead one onto the road of counter-revolution. Clear proof of this is provided by the fact that whole batches of Chinese Communists who confined themselves to books in their study of the social sciences have turned into counter-revolutionaries. When we say Marxism is correct, it is certainly not because Marx was a "prophet" but because his theory has been proved correct in our practice and in our struggle. We need Marxism in our struggle. In our acceptance of his theory no such formalisation of mystical notion as that of "prophecy" ever enters our minds. Many who have read Marxist books have become renegades from the revolution, whereas illiterate workers often grasp Marxism very well. Of course we should study Marxist books, but this study must be integrated with our country's actual conditions. We need books, but we must overcome book worship, which is divorced from the actual situation.

            How can we overcome book worship? The only way is to investigate the actual situation.

            --Mao Zedong, Oppose Book Worship, 1930

            • skyhighfly [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Universally, whenever Oppose Book Worship is quoted, it is used in a anti-intellectual and self-refuting way: you claim to oppose book worship and yet you quote this text without actually refuting Combat Liberalism.

              Why are you scared to contradict your "friends"? Why are you so afraid of making the truth known? If your friends will break up with you just because you've contradicted them: they are not your friends!

              If you truly have friends, it is your responsibility to educate them. You are knowledgeable here, they're not. They, as your friend, trust you and value your opinion more. You, as their friend, care about them and wish not for them to stay ignorant. Educate them! If you don't, not only are you failing your job as a communist, you are failing your job as a friend.

              A liberal is unprincipled and stands for nothing. By refusing to make a principled stand for the truth, you are a spineless liberal. By refusing to make a principled stand for the truth, by refusing to make a principled stand for what's right, you are the same as the spineless liberals of Weimar Germany who watched motionlessly as Hitler took power. You are the person who stands by blankly as communists are dragged out of their homes and taken away to be killed. You are the person who is too scared to speak out against Hitler. You are a spineless liberal of the highest order, who refuses to speak to even your friends who support you and will listen to you.

              You are a liberal.

              • sysgen [none/use name,they/them]
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                3 years ago

                This isn't self-refutation. It's a critique of your intellectual framework within itself to show that it is inconsistent and to change the terms of the debate. The self-refutation is done on your terms to show that they are unreasonable.

          • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            If you really took that to heart in America in 2022 and tried to follow those words exactly you would be shot in less than a week. Shut the fuck up