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Pouring one out for a real one. Thank you comrade :gold-communist:
So maybe this is dumb and only interesting to me, but he died aged 74, so it hasn't even been a full Stalin lifetime since he died. Sooo that's the kind of vague and useless trivia placing things in time that I enjoy!
Yeesh, the comments. Since when do we have so many libs on this site. Maybe it’s time for some kind of great purge.
Silence, idealist.
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Some quotes of communist leaders on Trotsky and Trotskyism:
"Trotsky arrived, and this scoundrel at once ganged up with the Right wing [...]"
"That's it! That's Trotsky for you! Always true to himself. Twists, swindles, poses as a Left, helps the Right, so long as he can..."
- V. I. Lenin. Letter to Inessa Armand. February 19, 1917.
"What a swine this Trotsky is: Left phrases, and a bloc with the Right."
- V. I. Lenin. Letter to Alexandra Kollontai. February 17, 1917.
"Trotsky is the prostitute of fascism."
- Antonio Gramsci. Pronounced in jail. On Gramsci, and other writings, p. 210. By Palmiro Toglliati
"Trotsky, Bukharin, Chen Tu-hsiu and Chang Kuo-tao are extremely dishonest"
- Mao Tse Tsung. Selected Works, III. p. 43
"It is necessary to remove, like the harmful plants are removed from the field, Trotskyism from the proletarian lines of our country"
- Dolores Ibarruri, Mundo Obrero. August 12, 1937
"My duty as a Marxist-Leninist Communist is to expose the hidden reaction that lies hidden behind revisionism, opportunism and Trotskyism. We consider that the Trotskyist party acts against the Revolution. [...] I believe that the Trotskyists have not contributed anything to the revolutionary movement, in any country, and where they did more have failed because their methods were wrong."
- Ernesto Che Guevara. Speech at the Ministry of Industry, November 5, 1964.
"Trotskyism is a vulgar instrument of imperialism and reaction."
- Fidel Castro. Selected Works, II. p. 63 (Part of a speech, 1966)
"The Trotskyists are not only enemies of communism, but also enemies of democracy and progress. They are the most infamous traitors and spies. Maybe you have read the indictments of the processes in the Soviet Union against the Trotskyists. If you have not read them, I advise you to do so and to read them to your friends. It is a very useful reading. It will help them see the true disgusting face of Trotskyism and Trotskyists"
- Ho Chi Mihn. Letter to the Indochinese Communist Party. May 10, 1939.
(Non-communist)
We have relied on Trotsky’s unrecognizably prejudiced portrait for too long. The truth was different. Trotsky’s view tells us more about his own vanity, snobbery and lack of political skills than about the early Stalin.
- Simon Sebag Montefiore, British historian. Young Stalin
I read Trotsky, not what people had to say about him. Read Stalin too. If you want Lenin's opinion on Stalin, you can read his Testament.
A weak response from an ahistorical perspective. Lenin’s opinion of me was a compliment.
Now, I ask you, where are the great Trotskyist revolutions?! If building socialism in one country is insufficient, where is your global revolutionary Trotskyist tide? Why did so many of your number turn into Neoconservatives and reactionary merchants of bourgeoisie war?!
And of course you have read Trotsky, and clearly only Trotsky, otherwise you would have a wider scope of understanding and not be so eager to discount the opinions of Castro, Che, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Sankara, Hampton, Hoxha, and so many more.
Speaking of Lenin's Testament, why not word-search this page for "testament" and have fun learning about it a few choice sections such as
TROTSKY DENIES THERE IS A TESTAMENT
Footnote: Trotsky himself at first admitted that Lenin had left no Testament or Will. In a letter to the New York Daily Worker on August 8, 1925, Trotsky wrote: “As for the “will’, Lenin never left one, and the very nature of his relations with the Party as well as the nature of the Party itself made such a “will’ absolutely impossible. “In the guise of a “will’ the emigre and foreign bourgeois and Menshevik press have all along been quoting one of Lenin’s letters (completely mutilated) which contains a number of advices on questions of organization. “All talk about a secreted or infringed “will’ is so much mischievous invention directed against the real will of Lenin and of the interests of the Party created by him.”
Sayers and Kahn. The Great Conspiracy. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1946, p. 200
…[at the October 1927 combined meeting of the Central Committee and the Central Control Commission] he [Stalin] exploited the fact that, at the Politburo’s (and above all his own) insistence, Bolshevik of September 1925 had published a statement by Trotsky concerning the Testament. Giving into pressure from Stalin on that occasion, Trotsky had written: “Since becoming ill, Vladimir Ilyich had frequently written proposals, letters, etc. to the party’s leading bodies and its congresses. All these letters etc. were naturally always delivered to their intended destinations, and were brought to the attention of the delegates to the 12th and 13th Congresses and always, naturally, had the appropriate influence on party decisions…. Vladimir Ilyich left no testament, and the very nature of his relations with the party, as well as the nature of the party itself, exclude the possibility of any such testament, so that any talk about concealing or not carrying out a testament is a malicious invention and is aimed in fact entirely against Vladimir Ilyich’s intention.”
Volkogonov, Dmitri. Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy. New York: Grove Weidenfeld, 1991, p. 138
It was only after they have been beaten, in the spring 1926, that Zinoviev and Kamenev at last threw in their lot with Trotsky. Meanwhile, Trotsky, too, had further weakened his position by renouncing his supporters abroad, who had published Lenin’s testament. He even went so far– and all in the name of discipline–as to describe the document as apocryphal. The union of the two oppositions represented therefore little more than the joint wreckage of their former separate selves.
Deutscher, Isaac. Stalin; A Political Biography. New York: Oxford Univ. Press, 1967, p. 307
WHAT DOES THE TESTAMENT SAY
In the last few weeks of 1922, Lenin completed the letter to the party which is now generally known as the “Testament of Lenin.” The name conveys a wrong impression, it was in no sense a Will, for Lenin never regarded his position as something to be bequeathed to another, he knew that he occupied the President’s chair because of his abilities alone; it was his dearest wish that his successor should do likewise.
How wrong he was, how tragically optimistic, can be clearly seen from the fate of the Testament itself. The party leaders, each one of whom knew its contents, first decided not to publish it while its author was alive and later postponed publication indefinitely. Trotsky, who was later to make much of the “Testament,” concurred in this decision which was broken finally by accident. A copy had been received by a visitor to the USSR, the American left-wing journalist, Max Eastman, who promptly gave it worldwide publicity in the Press of the United States. Sad reflection that the last words of so great a leader should reach the Russian people from a back-stage newspapers scoop in New York.
In the testament, Lenin gave a brief characterization of the leading figures of the Party. Trotsky, brilliant but too diverse in his interests; Zinoviev and Kamenev, indecisive and untrustworthy in a crisis; Bukharin, clever but not a confirmed Marxist; Stalin also received his share of criticism as being “too rude” to fill the office of General Secretary to everybody’s satisfaction. In spite of this, Lenin’s rebuke to Stalin is the least severe of all; the faults of the others lay in fundamental weaknesses, Stalin was simply too brusque to smooth over the trivial personal frictions of his subordinates. Stalin himself as always regarded Lenin’s reference to him as more of a compliment than otherwise. In an address to a later congress he repeated the words, adding: “Yes, comrades, I am rude to those who seek to weaken the Party by their activities and I shall continue to be rude to such people.”
Cole, David M. Josef Stalin; Man of Steel. London, New York: Rich & Cowan, 1942, p. 60
Lenin basically adopted Trotsky's idea of permanent revolution (that the proletariat need not wait for the bourgeoisie to inaugurate democracy, but can take power for themselves), so October could be considered proto-Trotskyist.
Look, from the 60s through the 90s, dozens of communists, including Stalin's followers, abandoned the revolutionary project. Lots of people betray causes for money and medals. Trotskyists are no different.
Under Stalin, the party removedd into bureaucracy, which is why we saw the flailing of Kruschev, and ultimately the stagnation of Brezhnev, etc..
Very nice and flowery sentences without any ability to articulate any actual victories of your precious ideological orthodoxy.
If the best you can do to explain why you are a Trotskyite is point to Lenin, then I have nothing more to say to you. Perhaps avoid speaking ill of the dead at their memorials in the future.
Even by your own telling of history, the revolution only lasted as long as Stalin did. Is he so much better because his project lasted 15 years longer?
Ah, but I thought the revolution was global, comrade? You believe the revolution has failed simply because it failed in Russia? This seems quite contradictory.
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I believe the revolution continued past my death. I believe it continues to this day. When the soviet people took up arms against the Yeltsin coup, the revolution continued, even when they were overtaken.
I should hope a Trotskyist of all people would not be so fatalistic. After all, your tendency has a penchant for setbacks, splits, and failures. A good Trotskyite must be at least two things, pedantic and persistent!
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He saved the soviet project from ultra-left crusaders and right-wing collaborators, and if there's anything he did wrong is that he didn't kill more "bolsheviks"
If there's anything that you and anticommunists agree on, it's that Stalin was a continuation of the Leninist project.
Socialism in one country my ass.
We're not going to hold two debates in two different channels on two different threads. This conversation on this channel ends here.
Perhaps you should read on what a kulak was and why they were capitalists who needed to be returned to the proletariat:
https://hexbear.net/post/149266