The Hungary schlock they refer to was of course a gladio-style CIA backed color revolution in which Hungarian fascist death squads were purging Jews, Roma, and Communists.
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The Hungary schlock they refer to was of course a gladio-style CIA backed color revolution in which Hungarian fascist death squads were purging Jews, Roma, and Communists.
Awesome! Cool! Dope!
tfw referencing a JoeySteel post about Hungary lmao
is the information in it wrong?
Not necessarily, there were gangs that tried to purge minorities and it's probable that secret agencies were involved (even though the only evidence is an interview with Sebastian Gorka's father from 2011) but he emphasizes a minor part of the happenings in a very chaotic situation and omits things like that a common slogan among the workers councils that shut down the country was "we're not giving anything back" and organized defensive forces against the fash gangs too. So i'd say it's biased analysis rather than factually wrong.
This does pre-suppose that the US not doing the most in that region at that time and that is not a claim that fits other observeable data.
You are right that we don't have conclusive evidence about clandestine agencies. However given their behavior I really feel like it can be reasonably assumed.
Sure, it can be assumed and i didn't suggest otherwise (in the right wing collective memory it lives on as an event "where the West failed Hungary"), i just said outright dismissing what happened in Hungary as a color revolution is not necessarily sound analysis.
It's true that color revolutions need some underlying social factors to get started but especially as if didn't work there must not of have been that strong a base of support.
Abolition of communism didn't have a strong base support though, that's why JS' analysis is biased.
And that's basically Maidan too, right? There was an organic movement within the country it's just the US/NATO used it for their own ends?
Which works. Cause it means when there are groups with legitimate grievance the government has to keep then down just in case the CIA finds out and gets claws into it.
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That's why we should be in those movements and directing them towards radical ends. If the CIA and fascists are there, we need to be there too, opposing them wherever they pop up.
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That would require an alternative to capital with which change can be affected, and that doesn't really exist. You can point to some amount of collective conscious coming out of online discussion, but it's not worth jack shit in a situation where Capital has decided to invest.
thanks for that thoughtful feedback, I'll keep that in mind.