I mean I think the thing is that like, the US and NATO are going to be sending weapons to Ukraine whether Americans support it or not. Even if public opinion was firmly opposed, they'd just continue sending weapons but wouldn't broadcast it publicly. My real issue is that the argument that Russia is doing something bad is somehow implicitly linked to an argument for NATO escalation/involvement. But then so what, I can't say I think that Russia's imperialist invasion of Ukraine is a bad thing? Like what the fuck are we doing then? Can't we condemn Russia and NATO?
You can condemn both. Russia’s behavior here, however, is not in line with the definition of imperialism from what I’ve seen so far.
It’s also an aspect of degrees of condemnation. We can and should be condemning the Ukrainian and Russian governments for the bourgeoisie war they are waging.
Above all that, we should be condemning NATO for intentionally escalating this regional conflict into a full on hot war for their own gain. That is morally reprehensible and disgusting. NATO is drinking the blood of innocent people to justify its own existence. It has always done this, but it had grown frail and not fed in too long.
We should not be condemning the Donbas People’s Republics nor the proletariat of Ukraine and Russia. They are both innocent and held hostage by their capitalist states.
To degrees of condemnation -- doesn't Russia deserve more condemnation in light of the fact that they are the aggressor state? Certainly, Ukraine is a capitalist country that exploits its population just like anywhere else, but the invasion by Russia is killing the proletariat of Ukraine.
And yes NATO is to blame, and that should absolutely be acknowledged when we assess this situation, but nonetheless, Russia is also to blame. Putin chose to invade. And by doing so, he's done more to strengthen NATO than anyone else since the end of the Cold War. Thus, not only has he strengthened the very institution that contributed to this situation, he's also responsible for the thousands of Ukrainian and Russian lives that have been lost in this war.
I mean I think the thing is that like, the US and NATO are going to be sending weapons to Ukraine whether Americans support it or not. Even if public opinion was firmly opposed, they'd just continue sending weapons but wouldn't broadcast it publicly. My real issue is that the argument that Russia is doing something bad is somehow implicitly linked to an argument for NATO escalation/involvement. But then so what, I can't say I think that Russia's imperialist invasion of Ukraine is a bad thing? Like what the fuck are we doing then? Can't we condemn Russia and NATO?
You can condemn both. Russia’s behavior here, however, is not in line with the definition of imperialism from what I’ve seen so far.
It’s also an aspect of degrees of condemnation. We can and should be condemning the Ukrainian and Russian governments for the bourgeoisie war they are waging.
Above all that, we should be condemning NATO for intentionally escalating this regional conflict into a full on hot war for their own gain. That is morally reprehensible and disgusting. NATO is drinking the blood of innocent people to justify its own existence. It has always done this, but it had grown frail and not fed in too long.
We should not be condemning the Donbas People’s Republics nor the proletariat of Ukraine and Russia. They are both innocent and held hostage by their capitalist states.
How would you define imperialism then?
To degrees of condemnation -- doesn't Russia deserve more condemnation in light of the fact that they are the aggressor state? Certainly, Ukraine is a capitalist country that exploits its population just like anywhere else, but the invasion by Russia is killing the proletariat of Ukraine.
And yes NATO is to blame, and that should absolutely be acknowledged when we assess this situation, but nonetheless, Russia is also to blame. Putin chose to invade. And by doing so, he's done more to strengthen NATO than anyone else since the end of the Cold War. Thus, not only has he strengthened the very institution that contributed to this situation, he's also responsible for the thousands of Ukrainian and Russian lives that have been lost in this war.
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