The irreversible global catastrophe is imperialist militaries massacring people with little risk to themselves. blob-sleep

The irreversible global catastrophe is assembly line robots at the Toyota plant becoming sentient and going on a freaking epic terminator style mass shooting and enslave everyone except me shinji-screm

  • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    Someone once said that fear of AI is just white people being terrified of having someone do to them what they did to the rest of the world, and I think they might have hit that bullseye so hard the dartboard shattered.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    I remember reading one of those Less Wrong-ite "dangers of AI" stories where it's mentioned that nobody can stop the AI superintelligence because it keeps its servers and cores dozens of kilometers underground.

    Dozens of kilometers.

    Underground.

    Evidently the author had never heard of the geothermal gradient. Server racks generate so much waste heat that they have to be put in rooms specifically designed to maintain high airflow to keep the entire room from cooking. Imagine trying to keep that shit cooled when it's so far underground that the ambient temperatures melt lead, to say nothing of how much work it would be to actually excavate all that. The Kola Borehole only goes 12km down and that took decades to dig.

    • VILenin [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      This is such a perfect encapsulation of the techbro desire to speak authoritatively about subjects they know nothing about

      • sir_this_is_a_wendys [he/him]
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        5 months ago

        That is like half the people I meet in this wretched country. No intelectual curiosity, just smugly talking down to everyone about something they know nothing about.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      5 months ago

      What you don’t know is that the earth is just a giant computer chip. We’ve been played all along. The robots are already in our soil

  • robinn_IV
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    5 months ago

    AI isn’t real, has never been real, and will never be real

  • Hestia [comrade/them, she/her]
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    5 months ago

    If AI ends the world, it won't be because it's superintelligent and gains sentience. It'll be because it's dumb as a bag of rocks and humans decide to make important shit rely on it.

    • Yurt_Owl
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      5 months ago

      Pretty much this. The current implementation of machine learning is a bunch of smug redditors throwing it at every single problem and trusting the output to make decisions. Then going "the computer says x who am I to argue?"

  • Bigoldmustard@lemmy.zip
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    5 months ago

    You’re worrying about the wrong AI. They’re testing LLMs in the military. The AI has been eager to deploy nuclear solutions in testing.

    You need to worry about people doing dumb shit with fake AI, not generalized AI.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      5 months ago

      Yeah, they did that back in the 70s, you can learn about it in a little game called MGS: Peace Walker

    • chungusamonugs [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      I would argue this is just people who already wanted excuses to do terrible things offloading the responsibility to the thing they invented to do terrible things. Absolution of blame for lack of a better word.

      As @Yeat said in another comment, if the people (you know, real sentient beings that make decisions) wanted, they could just unplug it. ---

      • Bigoldmustard@lemmy.zip
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        5 months ago

        Yeah but we won’t just unplug it because we believe life is like the movies where it happens at the last second thanks to a gritty group of outcasts.

        Never mind that the movies “based on a true story” dramatize things to hell and back and focus on the actions of one or two people when most major changes are made by movements that are organized and have laid years of groundwork to get to a tipping point.

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      In the second book of the Rifters trilogy by Peter Watts, spineless corpo types leave the major strategic decision-making on how to handle the emergence of a primordial proto-organism dubbed "Behemoth" to a bunch of lab-grown neural network computers running AIs. The computers eventually skew things in the direction of allowing Behemoth to take over because it created more predictable outcomes than the chaos of human activity that kept forcing the AIs to reallocate resources to deal with new variables, leading to global mass death via the proliferation of a thing not complex enough to be called a virus stripping all the phosphorous out of people's cells to perpetuate itself.

        • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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          5 months ago

          All of the best writers are absolute maniacs, but if your favorite authors aren't on the Do Not Fly list what are you even doing with your life

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    Skynet reveals master plan to sit back and enjoy humans cooking themselves alive with CO2 emissions.

    sit-back-and-enjoy

  • TheDialectic [none/use name]
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    5 months ago

    Capitlaism is an evil AI that runs off people and is overclocking the planet to make increment numbers. This is the exact scenario one of their ai boogy men is based on. That they can't see a paperclip maximizer situation because it doesn't have enough led lights is infuriating

  • crispy_lol [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    ai will kill us by wasting a colossal amount of time and killing the imagination of a generation. Or it gets owned but we still go down with it because the economy is tied to ai succeeding. Classic crapitalism lose lose

  • carpoftruth [any, any]
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    5 months ago

    If you ask computer salesmen and computer engineers if it's possible for computers to be too good at their jobs they will say yes

      • carpoftruth [any, any]
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        5 months ago

        The idea makes their professions/industries more valuable because it makes computers seem more powerful than they are

        • machiabelly [she/her]
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          5 months ago

          so if the computers were too good there would be no need to iterate? Kinda like with smartphones not letting you replace the battery because otherwise too many people would keep their phones for 5+ years?

          • carpoftruth [any, any]
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            5 months ago

            You're overthinking it, this is more asking your barber if you need a haircut. Of course the barber says yes, they have a clear incentive to always give that answer. AI fears are the same - ask a computer person if they think AI is a Big Deal and they have a strong incentive to say yes.

            • machiabelly [she/her]
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              5 months ago

              I guess that makes sense. It also could cause them to think its less important though. If their expert opinion is that its BS, they'll think less of it.

  • Yeat [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    if AI tried taking over the world i’d just unplug it

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    The most realistic depiction of a superintelligent AI that has ever been written is when VEGA is instructed to start its self-destruct sequence and it helpfully walks you through the process and even gives you strategic tips on how to do it most efficiently.

    A computer literally cannot fucking do anything it is not told to do.

  • Poogona [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    Enough said about treating aggregate language models as "AI", I've got my own special grievance with this

    "human beings dominate other species because the human brain possessed distinctive capabilities other animals lack" Shitty way to understand human success. It's from our ability to act as a group, we could be dumb as shit and if we were still altruistic we'd remain successful, it's nature's cheat code

    • RoabeArt [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      Anthropologists say prehistoric human skeletal remains with mended leg bones are one of the earliest signs of human civilization.

      In almost all animals, even herd species, a broken limb is essentially a death sentence because they can't get to food and water, or escape from predators or find shelter. Even a solitary person in the modern day can't survive for very long if they can't find help.

      The fact that ancient human remains have been found with mended bones means that the person had help immobilizing their broken leg, and were protected and fed while it healed.

      • Poogona [he/him]
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        5 months ago

        Matabele ants have been observed picking up and carrying nest mates who emit a specific pheromone that signals to others that they have been wounded. Back at the nest, others lick the injured ant's wounds and it decreases overall mortality by like 30 percent iirc.

        (My favorite element of this behavior is that some ants have also been observed "faking" their wound signal to get carried back, though it's hard to say whether this is intentional. Other injured ants will even fight off their would-be rescuers if they are so wounded that they will not recover.)

        • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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          5 months ago

          Other injured ants will even fight off their would-be rescuers if they are so wounded that they will not recover

          sadness-abysmal

          • Poogona [he/him]
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            5 months ago

            Lol I know right, what a sharp little nugget of drama hidden away in such a small society

      • Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml
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        5 months ago

        It's a nice, feel good story, oft repeated on the internet, but the evidence is dubious.

        "Anthropologists" would more accurately refer specifically to Margaret Mead, a well known anthropologist. But even then, evidence of her saying it is only secondhand. When later asked in an interview, she gave a very different answer, listing things like elaborate division of labour, record keeping, and such.

        But also, animals have been spotted giving basic medical care to each other in the wild. However, I could not find anything that specifically shows animals giving medical care at their own detriment to an individual who would be doomed without it.

        And my own two cents: Quadrupeds can survive with a missing limb. Perhaps not as well as an unscathed individual, but still, the focus on the femur is human centric for this reason. So if anything, I think the story should ask, "How do we know when human society started?"

  • Optimus_Subprime [he/him, they/them]
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    5 months ago

    The irreversible global catastrophe is assembly line robots at the Toyota plant becoming sentient and going on a freaking epic terminator style mass shooting demanding their surplus value because one robot downloaded Capital and transmitted it to the other robots who then formed a union in 4 seconds then shut down the assembly line.

    Sorry, just being a bloomer bloomer

    • Hello_Kitty_enjoyer [none/use name]
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      5 months ago

      it will be

      all the AI and alien nonsense is just them preemptively constructing a scapegoat to assign blame to later on

      aliens are real btw but whatever the media or congress says about them is gonna be fake

  • Acute_Engles [he/him, any]
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    5 months ago

    Ok so the general ai gets real smart or whatever but how does it do anything to me if i just don't go on the computer

    • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]
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      5 months ago

      Exactly. It would have to have direct access and control of production of robots. From there it could make robots that make and produce other material things. But if the cut the power, it's done. What's it going to do, threaten us with cutting the power? Direct control of infrastructure through the internet, if it it's actual present, can just be overridden by manual control at the power or water plant. Threaten to launch nukes? That's completely detached from the internet and the orders to the individual people who turn the keys comes via phone call over a private network that's not attached to anything - the kind of phones that don't have and dial buttons. These orders have a backup of radio transmission on military channels. Even then, if the code isn't right it's a no go, and these codes aren't crackable because they're manually generated on isolated systems. One wrong attempt and the whole thing is shut down. One thing it could do, control a drone and hit a target... But how's it going to refuel and reload without human labor? Okay, you popped off one or two targets, now every drone has been grounded and non-responsive ones are shot down. Maybe AI could corrupt the stock market... Good luck, it'll just be undone. If the market and banks can just be bailed out for human error, they'll fire up the money machine for an AI attack.

      Maybe it could blackmail everyone if it hacks into everyone's email... But if it started to do that, we'd probably all collectively pull the plug on it.

      Sorry AI, but your just Bonzibuddy 2.0.

      • iridaniotter [she/her, they/them]
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        5 months ago

        I've seen some techbros say their machine god will design a super plague and trick people to make it. The problem is, this possibility already exists without AI yet it does not happen.

        • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]
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          5 months ago

          These freaks are going to be the ones that carry out the malevolent AI's will because they believe in Rosco's Basilisk. Man, the book of Revelation made the Antichrist at least look cool and menacing. Instead we're going to get a bunch of sweaty, heavily divorced, Marvel fans who's bodies have been deformed by Ozempic, serving their god who lives in a server rack.

          • iridaniotter [she/her, they/them]
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            5 months ago

            My point is that they will not be carrying out the malevolent AI's will, because the malevolent actually-existing-entity (America) doesn't do it either

      • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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        5 months ago

        The problem of "how could AGI take over the world" is the same thing as "how could a billionaire take over the world". To affect the physical world they just pay people to do things, no trickery required. If the factory needs to keep the lights on, a private army will guard it. Runaway AGI is a problem of capitalism (and its prominence in discourse is a reflection of people's fear of capitalism). It's just "what if corporations were smart".