That time the Singaporeans sentenced a cracker to 6 lashes of a cane for vandalism. Bill Clinton personally intervened and pleaded for leniency so the kind Singaporeans reduced his sentence - from 6 lashes to 4.
Also the Aussies pitching a fit every time one of their crackers gets a death sentence for bringing drugs into Bali.
This is just vibes and not a real analysis from me, but the death sentence for drugs thing really bums me out. Ya I know we're settlers, but the guys doing trafficking are usually poorish and in a bad spot in life. I haven't thought this out, so don't @ me if I'm 100% wrong.
Isn't this just the "I was poor so I had no choice to join the military and kill even poorer brown people" sentiment?
Why does someone who choses to externalize their suffering on even less fortunate people deserving of any sympathy at all? Indonesia is a poor developing country with insufficient addiction support resources. Trafficking drugs and supporting organized crime in countries like that is absolutely going to get people killed.
I don't really agree with the death penalty either, but I really struggle to play my tiny violin when the fucking whitey colonists act like they can't be held responsible for the very widely known consequences of their bullshit.
Isn't this just the "I was poor so I had no choice to join the military and kill even poorer brown people" sentiment?
if they were in the CIA trafficking to fund counterrevolutionaries, maybe. normal traffickers are not an imperial attack, it's standard consequences from inequality. the laws that allow your schadenfreud wrt aussie traffickers kill way more people from the poor country
Individual punishments for systemic problems are not based. I don't really care who is getting punished, I want things fixed.
If some poor sod carrying like 1 one millionth of the world's heroin is executed in Indonesia or just rots in some hell gaol back home I'm outraged. They aren't responsible for this hell world we live in where people choose oblivion over engagement, they aren't even important to the machinery of the drug trade, they're just some idiot.
There are actual things worth getting mad about in this world and low level drug dealers don't fucking matter. They're a symptom, not a cause.
That time the Singaporeans sentenced a cracker to 6 lashes of a cane for vandalism.
Singapore is part of the imperial core, a capitalist country with limited freedom of speech and assembly. It isn't based to beat a teenager until the point of bleeding for doing his part against car culture, even if the teenager in question was an asshole. This is just like cuckservatives gleefully getting precum in their adult diapers when teenagers in america get shot by the police or small business owners for theft, even if you can argue that such *examples are not comparable since the thefts were out of necessity while Michael Faye was being a little shit. Its just not right for capitalist "civil society" to physically punish the youth.
Also the Aussies pitching a fit every time one of their crackers gets a death sentence for bringing drugs into Bali.
Indonesia is also a capitalist country which, with Australia's help mind you, performed an invasion and genocide of neighboring East Timor to destroy their socialist government. Even if the Australian "people" who go there to "party" deserve slow painful deaths, such retribution should be meted out by the people, not the fascist government.
Waaaahhhhhhh white people can't face consequences for their actions unless a government of the exact form I like is dishing out those consequences.
Maybe crackers should have thought about that before killing, raping, looting, and enslaving their way across the entire globe for the last half millennium.
Maybe crackers should have thought about that before killing, raping, looting, and enslaving their way across the entire globe for the last half millennium.
but
Singapore is part of the imperial core, a capitalist country with limited freedom of speech and assembly.
Indonesia is also a capitalist country which, with Australia's help mind you, performed an invasion and genocide of neighboring East Timor to destroy their socialist government.
These countries are part of the same world order established by the killing, raping, looting, and enslaving you mentioned, which in fact, they continue to help perpetuate because they inherited colonial patterns of political economy, subservient to the global elite of white nationalist colonialism.
We shouldn't celebrate their cruel form of "justice" because it is antithetical to the preservation and enabling of human flourishing. They are corrupt, fascist monsters to be destroyed.
Waaaahhhhhhh white people can't face consequences for their actions unless a government of the exact form I like is dishing out those consequences.
"PEOPLE NEED TO BE BEATEN AND KILLED FOR PETTY CRIME OTHERWISE THE IRREDEEMABLE HUMAN SOUL WILL FALL TO EVIL!!!!"
Right wing christian brainworms. When it comes to meting out violence, how can you trust governments with the most cruel ideology to be fair and just?
Recognizing that anglo disgust at other countries retributive notions of justice only extends to white anglos and ridiculing it is not the same thing as celebrating that system of justice.
Recognizing that anglo disgust at other countries retributive notions of justice only extends to white anglos and ridiculing it
Thats not the context I got, OP's post is ridiculing some white libshit for fucking around and finding out in DPRK (based), not about asymmetry of disgust based on whiteness.
To this, the other anon responded that its "funny" how some kid got beaten by Singapore and Australians get killed in Bali for drugs, to the dismay of their respective governments. Singapore isn't doing "self defense" when they cane teenagers for doing dumb shit.
I agree though, they only get disgusted when its a white citizen and/or when the country is their geopolitical enemy. Saudi Arabia beheads people for being gay and none of the western elite give a shit. I apologize if this is what anon meant originally, its just that I hate the Singaporean, Malaysian, and Indonesian governments to hell and back for their bullshit.
If the US police beat the shit out of some proud boys or neo Nazis, I can approve of that specific incident without approving of either the US or their cops in general.
Bad systems and bad laws can still sometimes do good things.
Also very funny:
That time the Singaporeans sentenced a cracker to 6 lashes of a cane for vandalism. Bill Clinton personally intervened and pleaded for leniency so the kind Singaporeans reduced his sentence - from 6 lashes to 4.
Also the Aussies pitching a fit every time one of their crackers gets a death sentence for bringing drugs into Bali.
This is just vibes and not a real analysis from me, but the death sentence for drugs thing really bums me out. Ya I know we're settlers, but the guys doing trafficking are usually poorish and in a bad spot in life. I haven't thought this out, so don't @ me if I'm 100% wrong.
Isn't this just the "I was poor so I had no choice to join the military and kill even poorer brown people" sentiment?
Why does someone who choses to externalize their suffering on even less fortunate people deserving of any sympathy at all? Indonesia is a poor developing country with insufficient addiction support resources. Trafficking drugs and supporting organized crime in countries like that is absolutely going to get people killed.
I don't really agree with the death penalty either, but I really struggle to play my tiny violin when the fucking whitey colonists act like they can't be held responsible for the very widely known consequences of their bullshit.
if they were in the CIA trafficking to fund counterrevolutionaries, maybe. normal traffickers are not an imperial attack, it's standard consequences from inequality. the laws that allow your schadenfreud wrt aussie traffickers kill way more people from the poor country
Individual punishments for systemic problems are not based. I don't really care who is getting punished, I want things fixed.
If some poor sod carrying like 1 one millionth of the world's heroin is executed in Indonesia or just rots in some hell gaol back home I'm outraged. They aren't responsible for this hell world we live in where people choose oblivion over engagement, they aren't even important to the machinery of the drug trade, they're just some idiot.
There are actual things worth getting mad about in this world and low level drug dealers don't fucking matter. They're a symptom, not a cause.
Singapore is part of the imperial core, a capitalist country with limited freedom of speech and assembly. It isn't based to beat a teenager until the point of bleeding for doing his part against car culture, even if the teenager in question was an asshole. This is just like cuckservatives gleefully getting precum in their adult diapers when teenagers in america get shot by the police or small business owners for theft, even if you can argue that such *examples are not comparable since the thefts were out of necessity while Michael Faye was being a little shit. Its just not right for capitalist "civil society" to physically punish the youth.
Indonesia is also a capitalist country which, with Australia's help mind you, performed an invasion and genocide of neighboring East Timor to destroy their socialist government. Even if the Australian "people" who go there to "party" deserve slow painful deaths, such retribution should be meted out by the people, not the fascist government.
Waaaahhhhhhh white people can't face consequences for their actions unless a government of the exact form I like is dishing out those consequences.
Maybe crackers should have thought about that before killing, raping, looting, and enslaving their way across the entire globe for the last half millennium.
It is always self defense to beat a cracker.
but
These countries are part of the same world order established by the killing, raping, looting, and enslaving you mentioned, which in fact, they continue to help perpetuate because they inherited colonial patterns of political economy, subservient to the global elite of white nationalist colonialism.
We shouldn't celebrate their cruel form of "justice" because it is antithetical to the preservation and enabling of human flourishing. They are corrupt, fascist monsters to be destroyed.
Right wing christian brainworms. When it comes to meting out violence, how can you trust governments with the most cruel ideology to be fair and just?
Recognizing that anglo disgust at other countries retributive notions of justice only extends to white anglos and ridiculing it is not the same thing as celebrating that system of justice.
Thats not the context I got, OP's post is ridiculing some white libshit for fucking around and finding out in DPRK (based), not about asymmetry of disgust based on whiteness.
To this, the other anon responded that its "funny" how some kid got beaten by Singapore and Australians get killed in Bali for drugs, to the dismay of their respective governments. Singapore isn't doing "self defense" when they cane teenagers for doing dumb shit.
I agree though, they only get disgusted when its a white citizen and/or when the country is their geopolitical enemy. Saudi Arabia beheads people for being gay and none of the western elite give a shit. I apologize if this is what anon meant originally, its just that I hate the Singaporean, Malaysian, and Indonesian governments to hell and back for their bullshit.
Okay
If the US police beat the shit out of some proud boys or neo Nazis, I can approve of that specific incident without approving of either the US or their cops in general.
Bad systems and bad laws can still sometimes do good things.
Beating whitey is always a good thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Tuong_Nguyen
Does it suddenly become not ok if its a non-white Australian
Wtf are you on about?
"Actually the war on drugs and state violence is good actually if its used against white people"