Been hearing a lot of rumblings from normal people in the warhammer community they are tired of fascists worshipping the imperium of man in their community.
is it like a human supremacist group in the lore or something like the empire in Star Wars?
Been hearing a lot of rumblings from normal people in the warhammer community they are tired of fascists worshipping the imperium of man in their community.
is it like a human supremacist group in the lore or something like the empire in Star Wars?
The warp wasn't inherently evil, I thought, it's just the swirling manifestation of conscious and sentient thought. It wasn't so bad until the Eldar orgied themselves a deamon god into existence and then the other three came from humans, apparently, doing so much evil they spawned chaos gods too. It's been bad for so long that it's become self-reinforcing, but the God-Emperor had some kind of plan to reset it or something I dunno.
All the Chaos Gods have an inverse "good" aspect to their portfolios too, Tzeentch isn't just betrayal and evil plans but also Hope, Nurgle isn't just pestilence and death but also Love, Slaneesh isn't just lust and hedonism but Beauty and I think Khorne was supposed to have Courage or something. The more "good" parts could be cultivated but the galaxy has been broken for so long that it's hard to say if anything good could ever come of the warp and if they're not better off just having the Tyranids eat everything and wipe the slate clean.
i always liked this representation
im losing my mind at lust and hedonism being considered an equivalent evil to rotting to death and eternal war
I had an idea. What if the Dark Eldar went Monsters Inc and made everyone laugh to save their owns souls from Slaanesh?
Did I just noblebright the Dark Eldar?
it litreally makes no sense they cause pain and are sadistic. it is so stupid. being a satanist by torturing people and shit makes no tactical sense considering the hordes of enemies it would make because you torture their cousin or whatever
I also had an idea, that in a way, might be even darker. They still do the torture thing, but they don't enjoy it. It's just their 9-5 grind, working at the torture factory. And also could be a decent imperialist satire.
that would actually be clever and could open up the possibility for a sympathetic Dark Eldaar protagonist (maybe even one which becomes a chaos cultist and stays sympathetic oh jesus) which would require putting effort into writing
And also removes the plothole of them making too many enemies, by them JITing the torture. Like, there's this entire corporate bureaucracy through torture, but instead of "line goes up", it's "Slaanesh is pleased".
I think you're looking at it on a grand scale; instead look at it as personal, moral failings. Khorne is definitely a macro scale evil, with wars and such, but Dark Eldar aren't conducting torture for military purposes, to them torture is just a hobby like binge gaming or binge watching netflix. Plus what hordes of enemies? Orks don't care, the Eldar are already on the warpath against them and the imperium treats people as toilet paper. Tyranids probably can't be tortured and if you did the other tyranids don't care, and genestealers are more concerned with infiltrating societies for the sake of the Tyranid and probably accepted that this was a possibility ages ago (also I'm not sure if they care if their members are taken for torture purposes).
Theoretically, the Dark Eldar torture to save themselves from having their souls eternally tortured by Slaanesh, but that motive is kind of obfuscated by the fact they enjoy it so much. I'd like to see the Dark Eldar not enjoy it, but also not hate it, like it's a 9-5 job for them, as I mentioned elsewhere here. It could be a parody of capitalism and work culture as well.
It's underselling it, lol, the sensuasness is turned up to 11 (like the pink chaos space marines using loud rock and roll music as weapons, lmao). The lust and hedonism is more like Little St James, not just a nice bubble bath and glass of wine while listening to your favorite album getting or giving top as appropriate.
The Eldar orgy didn't help the the whole Slannesh thing, but it was the war in heaven that created the initial three powers of chaos.
Oh alright, maybe I mixed it up with Warhammer Fantasy then. I swear the lore in the 2000s was that humans were the source of the 3. I always thought that was kinda dumb though if it was true, lol, the Eldar and Orks had way more fights to spawn Khorne at least.
No I think they always existed, but it was the pain and suffering of the War in Heaven that made them evil. As I understand the lore they gain their power now from the collective minds of all sentient beings, and since humanity are the main ones in the galaxy that means mostly humans.
The other three have arguably existed since sentience itself, Nature (Nurgle), Thought (Tzeetch), and Conflict (Khorne). Slaneesh is a special being because they were born of post-scarcity excess, this creating a new peril that threw the other three into an arms races against each other and to influence the world in the Eye of Terror. At least depending on the lore you read. I mean, you still have Gork and Mork, and in Warhammer there is the ratling god as well, as well as Sigmar. The pantheon of Warhammer is weird.