i can't log off from my brain though, knowing im using energy and resources and everything that could be given to those in need. every time i eat food that i don't strictly need or turn on a computer or draw or write or do anything that requires extra calories i'm failing millions of people
Okay, I’m telling you now you need to log off, and stop reading philosophy dork blogs online, those weirdos are pure ideology and basically treat trying to write themselves into weird logical boxes as some kind of sport. Be a materialist not an idealist.
You personally eating slightly more than your body needs doesn’t affect world hunger at all, it’s not like if you bought less groceries Safeway would FedEx the left overs to some village in Africa. They’d just throw it out. There’s enough food for everyone and then some in the world right now it’s just not being distributed properly, this is the materialist way to think about this. Personal asceticism doesn’t help the suffering in anyway, what will is a restriction of society, something with you doodling or writing poems has no effect on.
maybe, but i can still give all my money and time to charities and groups. in a sense, aren't a comitting a moral failing by not choosing to organize every moment for socialism outside of the rest time i need to stay sane and a job i need to stay alive?
You could go figure out the exact minimum amount of time that you need to spend resting and staying sane, but the effort to do this would also burn you out, so you need to go take a break from that. And you could go stress out about how much rest you need to be able to go back to thinking about how much time you need to spend to rest, but this too will burn you out, so you need to take a break from that.
And this will continues to apply to however many meta-levels of stuff to stress out about you invent, so go outside.
but from the perspective shown by the trolley problem or whatever, i am basically killing people when i choose to do something selfish instead of helping them not die. so the 35000 children dying every day are at least partially my fault. i could save dozens of them from early childhood diseases just by sending enough money for medicine to survive. i basically killed a dozen people today
on second thought this is probably true, but it also implies that everyone on the planet has probably "killed" someone at least a hundred times (especially if we count choosing to eat to not starve instead of giving) so im not sure if any of this matters. moral nihilism might be it at that point
im sorry i said the sociopath thing. i can see now i have no right to have said that
You're not the same poster as the person I used to say "That sounds like OCD, maybe see a therapist" to, right? Because, damn, the intensity of focus you have on this really reminds me of my own struggles with moral OCD.
i didn't want to live spending my entire life either worrying about not doing enough or forcing myself to give up everything i enjoy to do more. but i realize now that is counterrevolutionary and wrong. i am angry. i dont want to go into my emotions around this too much because it feels kind of like larping but the anger i have against the people who've made this world the way it is is too much to feel like it should be real. i did a cursory glance at forums for assisted suicide and the amount of people instead of making me feel heard or like i found good information just made me angry. theres so many people killing themselvse because theyre hurting. IM DONE. capitalists should be feeling all this pain and all this hurt. not children in Palestine. not me, i guess. im so fucking sick of all of these useless SHITS talking about AI and the singularity and bullshit useless arguing about egregores or some dumb ass shit.
so fuck it! i'm going to be the first actual "effective altruist" on Planet Earth. At least that's kinda cool, right? and thinking about it, dedicating my whole life to communism isn't that bad. there's meaning in it. it's not like i can utilitarianistically justify causing myself to live in the streets (holy death from cold batman)
im sorry i trauma dumped on you the way i did. that was not justified. please forgive me.
I would encourage you to log off if this philosophy debate is causing you mental anguish.
I’m just saying I don’t think convincing Elon Musk to be a deontologist is going to make him shut down his child labor lithium mines.
i can't log off from my brain though, knowing im using energy and resources and everything that could be given to those in need. every time i eat food that i don't strictly need or turn on a computer or draw or write or do anything that requires extra calories i'm failing millions of people
Okay, I’m telling you now you need to log off, and stop reading philosophy dork blogs online, those weirdos are pure ideology and basically treat trying to write themselves into weird logical boxes as some kind of sport. Be a materialist not an idealist.
You personally eating slightly more than your body needs doesn’t affect world hunger at all, it’s not like if you bought less groceries Safeway would FedEx the left overs to some village in Africa. They’d just throw it out. There’s enough food for everyone and then some in the world right now it’s just not being distributed properly, this is the materialist way to think about this. Personal asceticism doesn’t help the suffering in anyway, what will is a restriction of society, something with you doodling or writing poems has no effect on.
maybe, but i can still give all my money and time to charities and groups. in a sense, aren't a comitting a moral failing by not choosing to organize every moment for socialism outside of the rest time i need to stay sane and a job i need to stay alive?
no because you need to take some time for yourself or you burn out you have to treat yourself nicely as well as other people
but that's the "rest time i need to stay sane" i mentioned
yeah you need the rest time to stay sane and should no more feel guilty about that than eating to not starve
You could go figure out the exact minimum amount of time that you need to spend resting and staying sane, but the effort to do this would also burn you out, so you need to go take a break from that. And you could go stress out about how much rest you need to be able to go back to thinking about how much time you need to spend to rest, but this too will burn you out, so you need to take a break from that.
And this will continues to apply to however many meta-levels of stuff to stress out about you invent, so go outside.
Log off, touch grass. You’re not helping anyone by killing yourself over thought experiments.
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but from the perspective shown by the trolley problem or whatever, i am basically killing people when i choose to do something selfish instead of helping them not die. so the 35000 children dying every day are at least partially my fault. i could save dozens of them from early childhood diseases just by sending enough money for medicine to survive. i basically killed a dozen people today
on second thought this is probably true, but it also implies that everyone on the planet has probably "killed" someone at least a hundred times (especially if we count choosing to eat to not starve instead of giving) so im not sure if any of this matters. moral nihilism might be it at that point
im sorry i said the sociopath thing. i can see now i have no right to have said that
You're not the same poster as the person I used to say "That sounds like OCD, maybe see a therapist" to, right? Because, damn, the intensity of focus you have on this really reminds me of my own struggles with moral OCD.
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wow thanks guess ill go off myself or somethign i guess so i stop consuming resources
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i didn't want to live spending my entire life either worrying about not doing enough or forcing myself to give up everything i enjoy to do more. but i realize now that is counterrevolutionary and wrong. i am angry. i dont want to go into my emotions around this too much because it feels kind of like larping but the anger i have against the people who've made this world the way it is is too much to feel like it should be real. i did a cursory glance at forums for assisted suicide and the amount of people instead of making me feel heard or like i found good information just made me angry. theres so many people killing themselvse because theyre hurting. IM DONE. capitalists should be feeling all this pain and all this hurt. not children in Palestine. not me, i guess. im so fucking sick of all of these useless SHITS talking about AI and the singularity and bullshit useless arguing about egregores or some dumb ass shit.
so fuck it! i'm going to be the first actual "effective altruist" on Planet Earth. At least that's kinda cool, right? and thinking about it, dedicating my whole life to communism isn't that bad. there's meaning in it. it's not like i can utilitarianistically justify causing myself to live in the streets (holy death from cold batman)
im sorry i trauma dumped on you the way i did. that was not justified. please forgive me.
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