Yeah it's just too ill-defined when it's a community of people who don't think in terms of structures. The moment any of them buy into "financial independence, retire early" shit or think they can defeat a system with lifestyle politics, it's a poisoned well. They automatically fall into the anti-tankie side of reddit and fuck over any chance at changing things or building class consciousness. It's left with the same Big Amway Guy energy as the stock market subreddits.