• kristina [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    biden has near dictatorial executive power and all he does in handwring lmao

        • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          It's actually sort of amazing that many libs and probably nearly all libs in the media will yet again hand wring about norms.

          • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            "It's not that I want abortions to be illegal. I voted for Biden after all. The problem is how this information got out. This isn't the right way to get things done in the US. You have to go through the proper channels. Like CNN."

  • redthebaron [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    it will fall on our nations's eleccted officials at all levels of government to protect a woman's right to choose

    really does not inspire a lot of hope

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    This "I believe" shit is weasel words.

    "I believe that a woman's right is fundamental" acknowledges it as a subjective topic. It is deliberately collaborative language with the opposition. It is "I BELIEVE this on this issue but acknowledge that others believe otherwise and that there is no right or wrong, only belief".

    There is no "I believe" on this topic. A woman's right IS fundamental. Fuck you Joe. You weaselly little shit.

    He (and his handlers) know exactly what they're doing when they use this fucking language. They're collaborating with the right. They want this outcome.

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      And has monstrous as it is - it's just a GOP baby step. I made an edit and removed the difficult word for reddit...

      Alito's draft declares that, [among other things], the right to marry a person of a different race, the right to contraception, and the right not to be forcibly sterilized, all lack "any claim to being deeply rooted in history" – which is the same reason he overrules the right to abortion.

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      I'm looking forward to the post-bloodbath election lib takes where they say it's the voters' fault in not voting dem hard enough.

  • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]M
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    3 years ago

    "it'll fall on everyone except me, i had nothing to do with this and i'm in fact totally powerless in this instance. sorry dudes, shoulda voted harder"

  • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    "Why won't people turn out for Democratic candidates? Don't they know what happens if they don't have a blue president or Congress?"

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I wonder what they even do.

      Do they show up some morning for their monthly meeting. It's 9 am and they have some danish and coffee, chat, discuss what the GOP is up to for a little bit and then end the meeting at 9:15 and then text Biden's team the minutes?

      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]M
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        3 years ago

        Their name leads me to think that they're functionally no different than a group like DeSantis and his minions or MTG in their rabid anti-trans ideology. Just maybe a little more civil about it, because democrats.

      • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        We love our money laundering operations in plain sight, don't we.

    • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      The guy who was going to fist fight workers over his record won't bring a fraction of that anger here. It's for obvious reasons, but the difference in behavior should be enough to wake up libs who care about abortion rights.

  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    it will fall on our nation's elected officials

    Have you seen any?

    Then he just says :vote:

  • Lester_Peterson [he/him]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    The third point's subtext is that Democrat strategists are happy to have the SCOTUS overturn Roe because it means they'll finally have something to mobilize midterm voters with. Ghoulish.

    Also Texas introduced SB. 8 more than one year ago, and the Biden administration has done absolutely jackshit to push back against it. So I hardly think anyone's afraid of whatever response the "Gender Policy Council" might come up with.

  • Weebus [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Even if we pretend this shit matters and Democrats would actually pass a Roe-codifying bill in Congress, wouldn't it just be struck down by SCOTUS as unconstitutional, based on the precedent set by this case overturning Roe? Wouldn't we need a Constitutional amendment?

    • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      It we get down to the ruling RvW is technically about a woman's right to privacy in how her health care is given. Not having to explain yourself when getting a procedure. Then leaving it up to states makes it even more flimsy.

      Theoretically, Biden could executive order clinics to be made and have them under the control of the federal government. As it stands right now, the state-by-state basis is one of the biggest problems and lets Democrats off the hook.

      "If they want abortion rights in Texas then they should vote for Democrats there." Instead of doing anything meaningful with the power they have.

      What's really fucked up is that a lot of these new bills are fucking with federal laws anyway. Like punishing people who get abortions by leaving states where it's illegal. You shouldn't be punished for breaking the law when you're not even in the state where it's illegal.

      • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Just to reiterate - it would be buck wild if you got arrested for gambling in Vegas when it's illegal to do so in your home state.

        • iwasloggedout [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          But apparently it's fine to arrest people for "Conspiracy To X" which they would commit retroactively in their home state. So if some chud stronghold passes a law that makes conspiracy to gamble a crime, then if you gamble in another state you've technically conspired to do so at some other time.

          • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            State rights matter only insofar as being able to inflict draconian punishments.

    • Heifer [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I think the ruling says the constitution doesn’t guarantee a right to abortion thus overturning roe v wade. So states are free to ban or allow abortion. I just don’t know if doing so at the federal level would infringe upon “states power” but I think supremacy clause would make that a non-issue

      • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I mean if Biden really wanted to, he could make clinics on federal property or just outside of states where it's illegal and provide an inexpensive bus line to those clinics. But that would mean doing something more than pretending to be sad.

          • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Unironically, yes. If they could do vaccines and testing through the federal government, why not abortion access?

            I mean it's obvious why, but health care is health care.

            I mean if Qanon folks are gonna conspiracy theory anyway about what the left is doing with fetuses, we might as well extend services and protections to people who need it.

            • FloridaBoi [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Absolutely.

              The USPS has such a massive footprint across the entire country and they were already floating postal banking.

              • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                Even something as simple as birth control/plan b free in the mail would change so many lives.

                  • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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                    edit-2
                    3 years ago

                    A presidential candidate should've campaigned on that.

                    Free and anonymous mailing for tests, medication, etc would lift so many people out of poverty and allow them safety in their sexuality.

                    I still can't fathom why PrEP isn't done like that. The medication is cheaper than providing emergency healthcare for people who contact HIV. Doesn't even have to be LGBT either. How many paramedics, nurses, and people who run safe injection sites would have peace of mind?

      • Weebus [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Thinking about it more I don't think this new precedent would be able to strike down a hypothetical Roe-like federal law, but I believe it would nonetheless be brought down by SCOTUS under the justification of violating the Necessary and Proper Clause

        • Heifer [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah I own a mini constitution. That’s why all drugs should be legal because the tyranny of the Controlled Substance Act is illegal

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Not on that premise, but yes they could strike down a federal law protecting abortion access. They don't actually need much of a pretext, the majority decision is often built on blatant lies gussied up with diverting legalese.

      An example to look at is the Shelby case, as that's where they dismantled much of the VRA of 1965, a federal law protecting the right to vote "free" from racial discrimination. Their flimsy pretext: well the stuff that was happening in 1965 isn't happening anymore, so we don't need the law, so federalism dictates we let states "regulate" themselves. Racial discrimination in redistricting is still very much a thing, but even if the electoral system wasn't racist, that would also be proof that the law is functioning as intended and completely necessary. The majority understood this. It was presented to them for weeks, smacked in the face with it. They kept their cynical pretext so that their party (GOP) could have more power.

      A similar thing could happen with abortion. But that's not a reason to do nothing, which is exactly what Democrats want: "we can't do anything until you vote for us again". An actually militant party would be having that fight and using it to undermine the legitimacy of the supreme court, would be packing the court with the pretext that it's obviously a political outfit, etc. Democrats are not that party, they're libs that bank on failure and helping out their capitalist buds.