My favorite thing about extremely online leftist infighting is someone will say "let's not fight" and instantly someone needs to point out "they started it!!" like children being told not to bi cker while they're in class
My dude it's not finger-pointing. Anarchists generally hate MLs, people keep talking about left unity just seem tone deaf to that idea. You want to be friends with someone who doesn't want to be friends with you.
Politics isn't some social club where I'm going to make friends, if you're going to enact real change you're going to have to work with people you don't agree with.
It's meant to actually talk about the problem. Like self-righteously calling for left unity without actual understanding and discussion of why there isn't left unity already is just masturbating. Maybe it's MLs who need to change before left unity can be achieved, but that can't happen if people like you shut down any discussion of the actual problem.
Call me crazy, but that first comment you made doesn't exactly scream "I'd like to have a productive conversation about the idealogical obstacles standing in the way of left unity." If that's the conversation you want have, I'm all for it, but I just straight up don't think finger pointing is a good place to start.
its the defense of atrocities by monstrous governments.
I think we're all down with communism, even if it's not our absolute top fav. I think we're all for painting over doctrinal differences and shrugging when others don't do things perfectly, because at least they're doing something.
but when someone starts saying the oligarchic authoritarian PRC is good because they've got some red on their flag and you're a mao fanboy, I just fucking can't.
stalin I can get behind; dude was seriously fucked, and I wouldn't want to be in a room with him, but damn did he set an example for how to treat nazis. the USSR in general was a mixed bag that ended in a clusterfuck of corruption, but A+ on effort, ideals, and making the right enemies.
and if you call me an anarkiddie after sex (EVERY kind of left unity.), im going to call you a kiddie fucker. fair's fair.
Ya, I know it is. I'm not blaming you, you have your world view and there's nothing really wrong with that. Who knows, maybe you're right.
I'm just saying that calling for left unity without acknowledging why there is a rift doesn't really make any sense. It's like announcing to the world you should get married without considering that your partner thinks you're a loser.
this is an acknowledgement of that. "if you call me an anarkiddie after sex, im going to call you a kiddie fucker"
and the whole "maoists are cool therefore modern oligarchs in that part of the world have my uncritical support" thing. this is a rift. I can't get over that shit.
well that's no fun. your pet bird doesn't really love you! shit, you're a dog person? unconditional loyalty is just a simple mechanism, not real love. you don't care? fuck. your mom's a cunt? she's been dead for five years. fuck. um...
Obviously "this is why we need left unity" was directed at anarchists, not like MLs would be going around teaching liberals to call people tankies lmao
Tell that to anarchists
My favorite thing about extremely online leftist infighting is someone will say "let's not fight" and instantly someone needs to point out "they started it!!" like children being told not to bi cker while they're in class
My dude it's not finger-pointing. Anarchists generally hate MLs, people keep talking about left unity just seem tone deaf to that idea. You want to be friends with someone who doesn't want to be friends with you.
Politics isn't some social club where I'm going to make friends, if you're going to enact real change you're going to have to work with people you don't agree with.
I have no problem working with people I don't agree with I don't know why you think I'm the problem. I think anarchists are cool.
So why even comment "tell that to anarchists?" What is that comment supposed to be mean other than just flaming anarchists?
It's meant to actually talk about the problem. Like self-righteously calling for left unity without actual understanding and discussion of why there isn't left unity already is just masturbating. Maybe it's MLs who need to change before left unity can be achieved, but that can't happen if people like you shut down any discussion of the actual problem.
Call me crazy, but that first comment you made doesn't exactly scream "I'd like to have a productive conversation about the idealogical obstacles standing in the way of left unity." If that's the conversation you want have, I'm all for it, but I just straight up don't think finger pointing is a good place to start.
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its the defense of atrocities by monstrous governments.
I think we're all down with communism, even if it's not our absolute top fav. I think we're all for painting over doctrinal differences and shrugging when others don't do things perfectly, because at least they're doing something.
but when someone starts saying the oligarchic authoritarian PRC is good because they've got some red on their flag and you're a mao fanboy, I just fucking can't.
stalin I can get behind; dude was seriously fucked, and I wouldn't want to be in a room with him, but damn did he set an example for how to treat nazis. the USSR in general was a mixed bag that ended in a clusterfuck of corruption, but A+ on effort, ideals, and making the right enemies.
and if you call me an anarkiddie after sex (EVERY kind of left unity.), im going to call you a kiddie fucker. fair's fair.
China is good and it has nothing to do with the color of their flag.
I agree, some of the best recycling in the world, despite their fascist past.
Ya, I know it is. I'm not blaming you, you have your world view and there's nothing really wrong with that. Who knows, maybe you're right.
I'm just saying that calling for left unity without acknowledging why there is a rift doesn't really make any sense. It's like announcing to the world you should get married without considering that your partner thinks you're a loser.
this is an acknowledgement of that. "if you call me an anarkiddie after sex, im going to call you a kiddie fucker"
and the whole "maoists are cool therefore modern oligarchs in that part of the world have my uncritical support" thing. this is a rift. I can't get over that shit.
Ya comrade I don't think we're arguing.
well that's no fun. your pet bird doesn't really love you! shit, you're a dog person? unconditional loyalty is just a simple mechanism, not real love. you don't care? fuck. your mom's a cunt? she's been dead for five years. fuck. um...
you're a poopyhead?
tell the tankies first (OH wait, they just did both.)
Obviously "this is why we need left unity" was directed at anarchists, not like MLs would be going around teaching liberals to call people tankies lmao
hey, it could have been socialists. we don't know. maybe they looked in on our spaces, or someone went lib for social acceptance.
Let's do a ML/AnCom solidarity and blame Trots
only if we can do it topless and wearing full face masks.
and somehow asymmetric key cryptography.
Wait until there's a good post-quantum public key cryptography algorithm; we've got like fifteen years until current solutions are worthless.