characterizing them in particular as sinister, as if there's something special about them , absolutely is. even if these six justices all died tomorrow they would be replaced with six equally awful ghouls (this would be hilarious and good but it wouldn't change the scenario at all). the institution of the supreme court is what has power, not the actual people that serve on it, because it's the institution that's backed by capital. the people are just avatars of the will of capital
"A democratic republic is the best possible political shell for capitalism, and, therfore, once capital has gained possession of this very best shell it establishes its power so firmly, that no change of persons, institutions or parties in the bourgeois-democratic Republic can shake it."
That's Lenin in the first chapter of State and Revolution.
That's a statement about the possibility of overthrowing capitalism with the institutions of a democratic Republic, not of other change within a capitalist democratic Republic. It's clearly not suggesting that replacing the 6 anti-choice justices with 6 pro-choice justices they'd still repeal Roe V Wade, or that individuals with a ton of political power aren't allowed to otherwise operate in the system as long as they aren't a direct threat to capital.
You're missing the big picture, comrade. Roe was decided 50 years ago and here we are watching it torn down. Replacing the "sinister six" with liberals would change nothing over the long term. All this justifiable outrage needs to be directed at overthrowing the bourgeois state and replacing it with a revolutionary working class state. Everything else is wasted effort. The idea that we could replace the bad six with six "we" like is just :vote: with extra steps. The bourgeois state must be "smashed".
Okay, well, if Libs see a bunch of commies out fighting tooth and nail for their right to control their own bodies that will probably gain us support and legitimacy. Millions of people aren't going to magically wake up one day and decide they want to fight the US army. Gotta do the little things before we can do the big things.
Comrade, you're still suffering from liberal brainworms. Please take a deep breath and do some self‐crit. Try to understand that as long as we live under this liberal "democratic" system, outcomes like we've just experienced are possible and even likely. Capeing for the liberal justices is not that much different than screeching "you did this" at Bernie bros. Everyone is angry and upset right now and wants to do something, but unless that something is tearing up the constitution and eliminating the Supreme Court, we risk ending up back in this same place eventually.
you're missing the trees. some peoples' lives are about to get way worse and we don't need to smash the bourgeoise state to address this immediate problem.
it's all idealism anyway, and if we can pick six people to write off the show then doing all six justices is probably redundant. :melon-musk: for one, if literally only to make him shut up.
The three D judges are controlled opposition, just like the dems in Congress and the white house. It's all Kabuki theatre, the Democrats are just playing the role of opposition. They are not actually opposed to any of the horrible shit the Republicans want
even if these six justices all died tomorrow they would be replaced with six equally awful ghouls
Of course, but that doesn't take away from the fact that these six are the ones who are stripping rights away from workers. Revolutionary justice is cool and good.
I don't think it would really be justice if it didn't change the outcome though. Not to say they don't deserve it, but there's no justice until abortion is easily accessible
My understanding of revolutionary justice (could be wrong) is that it's not about changing an outcome, but just making those who have committed "legal" crimes against the working class face punishment, and put the other members of the bourgeoisie on notice.
Dude there's six of them and Spiderman fights the Sinister Six all the time. Don't read too much in to it. If all Six justices had aneurysms it would buy time. And ideology matters. A Biden court pick probably wouldn't throw out abortion. Which would make life a little less horrible for some people.
why do you think biden is suddenly gonna do something good, after 40 years of always doing the worst possible thing? it wouldnt surprise me in the least if he appointed some republican justices to promote bipartisanship or whatever the fuck. he has no incentive to help us.
plus hes a catholic, he personally hates abortion (to the extent he can remember his own opinions anyway lol)
Dude. Banning abortion is a purely Evangelical ideological program. No one else wants this. And this isn't just about abortion. Alito's opinion violates the principles of common law in a way that is so extreme I don't think most people without a legal background can really wrap there heads around it. You do not just overthrow fifty years of settled law because you have a personal crusade. Moreover, Alito has asserted that there are no rights except the rights specifically enumerated in the constitution, which throws out the very foundations of common law going all the way back to the Magna Carta. This is some an incredibly extremist act of legislating from the bench that it should be appalling and terrifying to any jurist who has any principles at all. It completely delegitimizes US law and opens up the overthrow of the entire US legal regime. No one except the specific Chuds chosen to execute this program are going to go along with it. The GOP Scotus justices were chosen because they're Christian Fascists first and have no other beliefs or principles. Anyone else would be horrified by this judgement and would never concur with it.
Whatever else you can say about Lib lawyers, they believe in their system, and this utterly destroys their system to such an extent that it's hard to comprehend. People say this is opening up the possibility of overthrowing gay rights and shit, but this is actually overthrowing the right of women to have their own checking accounts, the right to any labor organizing at all, even the fucking right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Asserting that Biden would just blindly support this shows a profound lack of understanding of what the actual stakes are for Libs.
Dude. Banning abortion is a purely Evangelical ideological program. No one else wants this. And this isn’t just about abortion. Alito’s opinion violates the principles of common law in a way that is so extreme I don’t think most people without a legal background can really wrap there heads around it. You do not just overthrow fifty years of settled law because you have a personal crusade. Moreover, Alito has asserted that there are no rights except the rights specifically enumerated in the constitution, which throws out the very foundations of common law going all the way back to the Magna Carta. This is some an incredibly extremist act of legislating from the bench that it should be appalling and terrifying to any jurist who has any principles at all. It completely delegitimizes US law and opens up the overthrow of the entire US legal regime. No one except the specific Chuds chosen to execute this program are going to go along with it. The GOP Scotus justices were chosen because they’re Christian Fascists first and have no other beliefs or principles. Anyone else would be horrified by this judgement and would never concur with it.
why do you think biden gives a shit about any of this? hes going to tell us to fuck ourselves, just like he always has. good things do not happen in america
Do you really think Biden wouldn't just capitulate and give the Republicans the justices they want? Why? He's got a 40 year long record of always doing the worst possible thing. Why would he stop now?
Biden would appoint a pro-abortion guy if one of them died in a skiing accident. However Biden would appoint vicious republicans if they were all killed by assassins.
Nothing that supreme court justices hold an inordinate amount of control over American lives is not "great man theory"
characterizing them in particular as sinister, as if there's something special about them , absolutely is. even if these six justices all died tomorrow they would be replaced with six equally awful ghouls (this would be hilarious and good but it wouldn't change the scenario at all). the institution of the supreme court is what has power, not the actual people that serve on it, because it's the institution that's backed by capital. the people are just avatars of the will of capital
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"A democratic republic is the best possible political shell for capitalism, and, therfore, once capital has gained possession of this very best shell it establishes its power so firmly, that no change of persons, institutions or parties in the bourgeois-democratic Republic can shake it."
That's Lenin in the first chapter of State and Revolution.
That's a statement about the possibility of overthrowing capitalism with the institutions of a democratic Republic, not of other change within a capitalist democratic Republic. It's clearly not suggesting that replacing the 6 anti-choice justices with 6 pro-choice justices they'd still repeal Roe V Wade, or that individuals with a ton of political power aren't allowed to otherwise operate in the system as long as they aren't a direct threat to capital.
You're missing the big picture, comrade. Roe was decided 50 years ago and here we are watching it torn down. Replacing the "sinister six" with liberals would change nothing over the long term. All this justifiable outrage needs to be directed at overthrowing the bourgeois state and replacing it with a revolutionary working class state. Everything else is wasted effort. The idea that we could replace the bad six with six "we" like is just :vote: with extra steps. The bourgeois state must be "smashed".
Okay, well, if Libs see a bunch of commies out fighting tooth and nail for their right to control their own bodies that will probably gain us support and legitimacy. Millions of people aren't going to magically wake up one day and decide they want to fight the US army. Gotta do the little things before we can do the big things.
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That's cool Lenin was wrong in this case.
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Yeah, i agree.
birdbrained analysis to say that thesix R backed judges voting to overturn roe are identical to the three D backed judges voting to upholdroe
Comrade, you're still suffering from liberal brainworms. Please take a deep breath and do some self‐crit. Try to understand that as long as we live under this liberal "democratic" system, outcomes like we've just experienced are possible and even likely. Capeing for the liberal justices is not that much different than screeching "you did this" at Bernie bros. Everyone is angry and upset right now and wants to do something, but unless that something is tearing up the constitution and eliminating the Supreme Court, we risk ending up back in this same place eventually.
you're missing the trees. some peoples' lives are about to get way worse and we don't need to smash the bourgeoise state to address this immediate problem.
it's all idealism anyway, and if we can pick six people to write off the show then doing all six justices is probably redundant. :melon-musk: for one, if literally only to make him shut up.
The three D judges are controlled opposition, just like the dems in Congress and the white house. It's all Kabuki theatre, the Democrats are just playing the role of opposition. They are not actually opposed to any of the horrible shit the Republicans want
Of course, but that doesn't take away from the fact that these six are the ones who are stripping rights away from workers. Revolutionary justice is cool and good.
I don't think it would really be justice if it didn't change the outcome though. Not to say they don't deserve it, but there's no justice until abortion is easily accessible
My understanding of revolutionary justice (could be wrong) is that it's not about changing an outcome, but just making those who have committed "legal" crimes against the working class face punishment, and put the other members of the bourgeoisie on notice.
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They wouldn't get the job if they were going to be hesitant. The system explicitly selects for the worst possible ghouls
Dude there's six of them and Spiderman fights the Sinister Six all the time. Don't read too much in to it. If all Six justices had aneurysms it would buy time. And ideology matters. A Biden court pick probably wouldn't throw out abortion. Which would make life a little less horrible for some people.
why do you think biden is suddenly gonna do something good, after 40 years of always doing the worst possible thing? it wouldnt surprise me in the least if he appointed some republican justices to promote bipartisanship or whatever the fuck. he has no incentive to help us.
plus hes a catholic, he personally hates abortion (to the extent he can remember his own opinions anyway lol)
Dude. Banning abortion is a purely Evangelical ideological program. No one else wants this. And this isn't just about abortion. Alito's opinion violates the principles of common law in a way that is so extreme I don't think most people without a legal background can really wrap there heads around it. You do not just overthrow fifty years of settled law because you have a personal crusade. Moreover, Alito has asserted that there are no rights except the rights specifically enumerated in the constitution, which throws out the very foundations of common law going all the way back to the Magna Carta. This is some an incredibly extremist act of legislating from the bench that it should be appalling and terrifying to any jurist who has any principles at all. It completely delegitimizes US law and opens up the overthrow of the entire US legal regime. No one except the specific Chuds chosen to execute this program are going to go along with it. The GOP Scotus justices were chosen because they're Christian Fascists first and have no other beliefs or principles. Anyone else would be horrified by this judgement and would never concur with it.
Whatever else you can say about Lib lawyers, they believe in their system, and this utterly destroys their system to such an extent that it's hard to comprehend. People say this is opening up the possibility of overthrowing gay rights and shit, but this is actually overthrowing the right of women to have their own checking accounts, the right to any labor organizing at all, even the fucking right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Asserting that Biden would just blindly support this shows a profound lack of understanding of what the actual stakes are for Libs.
why do you think biden gives a shit about any of this? hes going to tell us to fuck ourselves, just like he always has. good things do not happen in america
I'm going to indulge you because I have lots of free time.
Do you understand that there are different political factions with different goals and aims in the ruling class of America?
Those ghouls wouldn't rollback abortion rights, the topic at hand.
Yes they would lmao. They wouldn't be able to get the job otherwise
You know who's in the position to hire them, right?
Noted human rights activist Joe Biden
A liberal that would nominate fellow liberals and be confirmed by liberals. The general liberal position on abortion is supporting it.
Implying they wouldn't find a way to let republicans block it lol. The dems' whole job is to lose, theyre not gonna suddenly start trying to win
This is some real mental gymnastics, dont strain anything.
Blocked means no new justices which means the 3 ghouls left are all liberals.
Do you really think Biden wouldn't just capitulate and give the Republicans the justices they want? Why? He's got a 40 year long record of always doing the worst possible thing. Why would he stop now?
Biden would appoint a pro-abortion guy if one of them died in a skiing accident. However Biden would appoint vicious republicans if they were all killed by assassins.
To restore unity