• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    Eh. Absent context, people just rushing a stage is, uh, maybe kinda bad?

    More "night in the drunk tank" bad than "fifty years at Rickers" bad. But since we don't do nuance in the legal system anymore and the dude who rushed the stage could afford a lawyer, the DA isn't going to waste time on a defendant that can fight back.

    That's not authoritarianism, its class privilege.

    • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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      3 years ago

      Bad because you went where people didn't want you to go? Bad because a performance is interrupted?

      Oh, give me a break. If there is a credible reason to believe someone was being violently threatened, that's one thing. Simply inconveniencing people is not a fucking crime under any sane notion of the concept.

      "Night in the drunk tank" is also a shitty and authoritarian thing, with a history of actually causing real harm to poor and racially marginalized people. Whitewashing it by reinforcing the notion it is just giving people a safe place to "sleep it off" is not cool. Ever actually been in jail?

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Bad because you went where people didn’t want you to go? Bad because a performance is interrupted?

        Yes. Take Chappelle and the MAGA guy out of it for a second, and its just aggressive heckling. No venue in the world tolerates that shit for long.

        If there is a credible reason to believe someone was being violently threatened

        You don't even need that much. If this was a fucking DSA meeting and some guy bodied the host for talking shit about national political figure, nobody here would blink at tossing the wrecker's ass to the curb.

        “Night in the drunk tank” is also a shitty and authoritarian thing, with a history of actually causing real harm to poor and racially marginalized people.

        FFS, we're approaching "Uighur Genocide" levels of insincerity.

        • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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          3 years ago

          No venue in the world tolerates that shit for long.

          Which is a reason to ask someone to leave, not a reason to lock them away. The (eventual) charge then might be trespassing.

          FFS, we’re approaching “Uighur Genocide” levels of insincerity.

          The criminal injustice system is an unjustifiable, oppressive system of cruelty and abuse. There is nothing insincere about that. Educate yourself.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            3 years ago

            Which is a reason to ask someone to leave, not a reason to lock them away.

            It's a reason to kick them out. And if they fight you, a reason to put them somewhere in which they can't continue to lash out in reckless anger.

            The criminal injustice system is an unjustifiable

            Capitalism is unjustifiable.

            A criminal justice system is both necessary and good.

            • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              It’s a reason to kick them out.

              Yes, but that can be handled by the venue. There's no reason at all for a specific law for someone just getting on stage and interrupting things, if they get violent there are already laws for that.

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                3 years ago

                Yes, but that can be handled by the venue.

                God, no. The last fucking thing I want is some mall cop putting you in a private sector black site.

                There’s no reason at all for a specific law for someone just getting on stage and interrupting things

                The legal code is a bureaucratic clusterfuck and needs to be dismantled, rewritten, and ratified by a People's Government. But I wouldn't be surprised if people still consider jumping on top of a guy in the middle of a speech a crime.

                • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  My point is that jumping someone is obviously different from just getting on stage and interupting things. I've been performing on stage regularly for like 25 years now, so I feel like I have at least some insight into how shit actually works .

                  And under a People's Government there hopefully would be neither mall cops nor private sector black sites.

            • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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              3 years ago

              It’s a reason to kick them out. And if they fight you, a reason to put them somewhere in which they can’t continue to lash out in reckless anger.

              "Put them somewhere." 🙄 Anyway, you're ignoring, again, that "unauthorized access to the stage area" and "commission of an act that delays an event or interferes with a performer" are absolutely ridiculous things for there to be actual criminal laws against.

              Capitalism is unjustifiable.

              No kidding.

              A criminal justice system is both necessary and good.

              OK bootlicker.

              You should be ashamed of yourself for helping to whitewash and apologize for the history of policing. Your façade of "opposing capitalism" is betrayed by any actual philosophy that appears when you scratch the surface of what you actually advocate for in material reality. I'm not going to continue this exchange with you, as it's a waste of time and energy. See ya around (or, hopefully, not).