• CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The same Lenin, Mao, Castro, Kim Il Sung, and Ho Chi Minh who had a part in overthrowing their governments?

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Overthrowing the outsider colonial governors who rule through corruption and violence.

      Communism and anti-colonialism went hand-in-hand for over a century. You absolutely could be a Patriot while championing a Leftist cause.

      Americans would do well to tie Socialism to Home Rule and denounce de-industrialization, rent extraction, and resource exploitation as antithetical to Patriotism.

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Or American leftists could not champion nationalism on stolen land.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          I guess they can stick with doing Land Acknowledgements before DSA meetings and paying reparations to Black Hammer until they feel better about themselves.

          But good luck doing a Maoism when you've got half an apartment block full of liberals telling the other half that seizing the means of production is disrespectful to First Nations People.

          • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            recognizing the illegitimacy of the american state is the same as giving reparations to grifters

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              3 years ago

              shrug

              A sense of community and comradery doesn't need to preclude an understanding of history or a pursuit of justice.

              • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I agree, but a sense of community doesn't need to entail nationalism. The majority of humans before the 15th century can tell you that.

                • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                  3 years ago

                  I'd argue Christianity, Islam, and Confusionism were all setting the groundwork well before the 15th century.

                  The primary obstacles to nation building were technological, not ideological.

                    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                      3 years ago

                      A consequence of it.

                      More people being able to organize around a larger shared space under a common language and culture is hardly a bad thing.