The problem is that fundamentally misunderstands what a class is. Whiteness is a socially constructed tool used to protect and uphold the bourgeois in the imperial core and economically dominate those considered non-white, but it isn't a class in and of itself because it does not imply anything about economic production and ownership thereof or labour and its surplus.
Elimination of the bourgeois would eliminate whiteness as a social construct because the bourgeois' economic domination would end and the need to delineate white from non-white would also end, so your instincts here are right, they just needed a little nuancing.
Race may be a tool of the bourgoisie, but, now created, can certainly survive the death of capitalism as its own sort of zombie. Defeating capitalism is necessary step in defeating racism, but it's not the only step.
Prejudice and privilege have existed before capitalism, and race is just another vector for the realization of these two things. As long as people recognize race, there will be those that use it to exalt or diminish a people.
Yes and no. As Marx argued, racism is a tool that divides the working class. Overcoming racism is essential in order to defeat capitalism. As Marx said of the English working class's views of the Irish:
Hence it is the task of the International everywhere to put the conflict between England and Ireland in the foreground, and everywhere to side openly with Ireland. It is the special task of the Central Council in London to make the English workers realise that for them the national emancipation of Ireland is not a question of abstract justice or humanitarian sentiment but the first condition of their own social emancipation.
To quote Robert Knox and Ashok Kumar's recent introduction to an issue of Historical Materialism:
Marx essentially bequeathed three points to later Marxists’ thinking about race. The first was that race and racism are deeply connected to capitalism’s spread internationally. The second was that racism is bound up with internal competition within the working class, and serves – both as a conscious project of the ruling class and directly via the labour movement – to undermine the basis for a revolutionary movement. The third was that Marx did not assign race or racism an independent causational force: it was clear that Marx did not think people were enslaved, exploited or dispossessed because of their racialisation, but rather owing to definite social conditions. The latter also points us to a significant limitation of Marx’s reflections: whilst Marx’s analysis did not ascribe any particular causational power to race, he nonetheless took for granted the existence of racial categories. As such, ‘race’ as a category was not subjected to the same historical and materialist analysis that both Marx and Engels would deploy in relation to other phenomena, and it was this task that later thinkers in the Marxist tradition sought to undertake.
But you are right that, of course, racism will also still exist after any revolution and will have to be at the forefront of the proletarian's mind.
Right. Racism is bound to class conflict in the current political and economic paradigms, but can still be used to litigate other conflicts. People can and will try to cynically bend it to whatever purposes they see fit if not addressed directly as a problem
I should have been more clear. This is sarcasm (I think you would call it that). Clearly the "white class" rhetoric is idiotic, but it is possible that someone might believe a reactionary view wearing the skin of leftism, which is more or less what I wrote.
It's easy to look at problematic parts of our world ("white" lead genocidal imperialism) and believing that changing one aspect without considering the system that gave rise to our world will solve our problems. Maybe I took an advanced liberal propaganda enhancement pill before writing this lol.
The problem is that fundamentally misunderstands what a class is. Whiteness is a socially constructed tool used to protect and uphold the bourgeois in the imperial core and economically dominate those considered non-white, but it isn't a class in and of itself because it does not imply anything about economic production and ownership thereof or labour and its surplus.
Elimination of the bourgeois would eliminate whiteness as a social construct because the bourgeois' economic domination would end and the need to delineate white from non-white would also end, so your instincts here are right, they just needed a little nuancing.
Race may be a tool of the bourgoisie, but, now created, can certainly survive the death of capitalism as its own sort of zombie. Defeating capitalism is necessary step in defeating racism, but it's not the only step.
Prejudice and privilege have existed before capitalism, and race is just another vector for the realization of these two things. As long as people recognize race, there will be those that use it to exalt or diminish a people.
Yes and no. As Marx argued, racism is a tool that divides the working class. Overcoming racism is essential in order to defeat capitalism. As Marx said of the English working class's views of the Irish:
To quote Robert Knox and Ashok Kumar's recent introduction to an issue of Historical Materialism:
But you are right that, of course, racism will also still exist after any revolution and will have to be at the forefront of the proletarian's mind.
For those interested, Knox and Kumar's article is an easy read and really helpful here: Robert Knox and Ashok Kumar. "Reexamining Race and Capitalism in the Marxist Tradition – Editorial Introduction", Historical Materialism 31 (2023): 25-48. The two special issues of Historical Materialism are here and here. Some articles are open access, but you can always email the author if you want the article.
Right. Racism is bound to class conflict in the current political and economic paradigms, but can still be used to litigate other conflicts. People can and will try to cynically bend it to whatever purposes they see fit if not addressed directly as a problem
I should have been more clear. This is sarcasm (I think you would call it that). Clearly the "white class" rhetoric is idiotic, but it is possible that someone might believe a reactionary view wearing the skin of leftism, which is more or less what I wrote.
It's easy to look at problematic parts of our world ("white" lead genocidal imperialism) and believing that changing one aspect without considering the system that gave rise to our world will solve our problems. Maybe I took an advanced liberal propaganda enhancement pill before writing this lol.
The only war I wish to fight is the class war.
Totally makes sense comrade