It’s some stupid AA/NA bullshit, I don’t know. And while it isn’t always a sign that someone is a chode—I used to have a friend who used the phrase, and would send me money specifically so I wouldn’t have to go into withdrawal—every other time I’ve seen this term used, it’s come from someone who’s actively trying to make life for actual addicts an even worse Hell than it usually already is—usually by spreading and enforcing stereotypes and junk science—and then trying to be like “Hey, I’m an addict too.”

And what’s really gross is how these people seem to actually believe that they’re helping us. It doesn’t matter how much I scream in pain—the unyielding finger-pointing, the trashing of my image, the burning of my sources for kickdowns or whatever, the stress and the self-loathing they try to impress upon me, it’s all because I have to “hit rock bottom” in order to seek help and get sober. And of course they don’t care if “rock bottom” is a noose or a gun or a huge rip off some straight fetty powder.

Sorry but, if you aren't going to the restroom to hit a pipe or cook up a shot—or whatever, I’m trying to be poetic or something—or hitting a bottle of “water” or “juice” or whatever that isn’t water or juice or whatever; or blacking out and stealing a bunch of shit and dropping a mixtape on SoundCloud that’s just mumbling over a trap beat, you aren’t an addict. If you used to do that and got clean you’re maybe an addict emiritus. Idk shut up. Do whatever you want mang just don’t call yourself an addict to shit on other addicts; you know how much it fucking sucks to be here.

  • AlkaliMarxist
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    7 months ago

    It's because a fundamental ideology of 12 step programs is that 'addict' is a fundamental and unchangeable characteristic of a person - "once an addict always an addict". It is not a set of behaviours or a state of being it is a basic attribute of a person that is revealed by substance abuse. It's how they rationalize that others are able to use while setting boundaries, but to them using is the same as relapsing. It's how they justify telling people they have no power or agency and asking them to submit fully to a 'higher power'. They are basically religious groups, with a thin veneer of secularism in that they don't insist on any specific higher power.

  • buckykat [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    AA is a kkkristians cult and there is no consensus that their program works any better than doing nothing at all

      • dannoffs [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        They say this because people who stick to AA tend to actually stay sober. They just don't tell you that somewhere around 95% of people quit and that those statistics match doing literally nothing

        • Barabas [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          The people who follow the rule to not drink stay sober thonk

    • allthetimesivedied [they/them, she/her]
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      7 months ago

      I’m sort of uncomfortable with the demonization of Christianity here, considering how some of my best allies in my fight with sobriety have been devout Christians. Last month this guy sent me $300 and quoted the New Testament, after I dead ass stated clearly that I’m a drug addict. One of my few remaining friends is a former heroin addict who converted to Orthodox Christianity.

    • Raebxeh
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      7 months ago

      I was saying the other day. All methods of getting sober have dismal success rates, but quitting with a friend sucks the least by comparison. Iirc it’s not even close.

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    7 months ago

    I've often found that ex addicts can end up being worse at therapy and counseling than a non-addict. There's something about them being just total pricks to you and looking down on you because you're still in your shit.

    • allthetimesivedied [they/them, she/her]
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      7 months ago

      Sometimes I really love the idea of being totally straightedge and still hanging out with my old druggie friends. Like Heroin Bob.

  • ButtBidet [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    This is probably an oversimplification, but I end up hating people who have some issue that I've overcome. Like I used to watch too much TV and smoke too much weed, now when I see people doing this and my reaction is to hate them hard. But obviously it's some sort of projection of hating what I was/am and fearing going back.

    But as a normal human, I clock this sensation and realise what it is, and try not to give weed smokers or TV watchers any unnecessary shade. I am sorry that you need to go through that.

    • AlkaliMarxist
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      7 months ago

      I had this experience when I was younger, for me it was being very overweight and I guess what I'd now consider "presenting ND". I think part of it is that in order to change you have to dislike who you used to be - at least a bit.

      Of course life humbled me pretty good, but that's just how things go sometimes.

      • ButtBidet [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        I absolutely hate that it's ok to give shit to overweight people. I'm so sorry that's the way our world is.

        • AlkaliMarxist
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          7 months ago

          Ah, I didn't explain well but what I meant was I lost a lot of weight and made a conscious effort to get out there and 'be normal' (masking I suppose) and when I did I started to really resent people who were fat or I thought were lazy or people who presented as neurodivergent, basically people like I used to be. A lot of it was internalized self loathing and some of it was "I changed why don't you change" or "why do you choose to be miserable, what are you, stupid?" I didn't even realize I was doing it.

          Then I went through a few very stressful years and ended up worse than when I started, fatter than ever, and I basically had a nervous breakdown. It was rough but it gave me some measure of perspective on the situation and how callous I had become towards people who were where I had been and where I ended up again.

          That said it does suck how being overweight is seen, even among leftists, as an acceptable characteristic to put shit on. I've even had friends telling me an anecdote and they'll say something like (CW body shaming) "so there was this huge fat fuck..." and I say to them um, like me? and they're at a loss for words "oh, right, um no not exactly..." It sucks being overweight, but it sucks so much more knowing that most people look down on you for it too, but there was a time when I was one of those people.

          • ButtBidet [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            I've definitely said a fuck ton of size phobic (is there a better word?) stuff in my lifetime. All the pain you've been through was unnecessary, like we shouldn't be caring about people's shapes. My students watch the skinniest dancers on their phones and I hate it all.

            It's so terrible that you had to go through a nervous breakdown over silly beauty standards. Fuck our society.

            • AlkaliMarxist
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              7 months ago

              Thanks man, to be honest thinking about it has me kinda feeling rough in a way I didn't expect to. Lotta thoughts and feelings I don't really know how to process.

              I appreciate what your saying though. Wish we could just be us without judging and being judged for shit that doesn't hurt anyone else.

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