Its so bad, its bad for movie standards, its bad for marvel standards. Its such a giant mess, almost every aspect of it just doesnt work.
To start you have every single character quipping like the producers watched it with a timer in one hand. Its like a mandated every 60 second quip break, and every single character needs to get in on it. Theres actually a couple funny lines but wow they would land a lot better if this wasnt so constant.
Then you have the weird meme masculinity with the three spider men? "Hey bro, I love you" "no bro, you have to value yourself bro" like just stop. Save it for one scene or something, read a book any book.
The CGI is bottom of the barrel, its really scraping it. Lighting problems, proportions being way off, cartoon trucks suddenly being in screen, whole thing just looks awful. You cant possibly exaggerate how bad this movie looks, it has no visual soul at all.
It also suffers from video game writing, which is something Ive been noticing more and more in modern movies. Spider man shows up at Dr Stranges and he says "heres your quest spidey! I made you a wrist thing to go collect 6 bad guys, good luck!" Later in the film spider man unpacks a machine in his apartment that "can basically just build anything" dang thats convenient. Build a script.
Anyways I hated it, anyone who feels the need to defend these movies is 12. Theres no other explanation, I cannot believe adults are paying for these movies. I cannot believe this is our art culture from now until climate change wipes us out. 6 years from now theres going to be 1 movie that gets made a year, and itll make 9 billion dollars and cost 12 million to make because theyll use slave cgi assistants on every shot and people on twitter will tell you to shut your brain off.
It's not the redeeming, but that they are being forceably redeemed. For the Lizard that makes sense, in the comics he's mostly an animal when transformed so Peter has to decide for him. Electro, however, is just as sentient and in control of himself when electric as he was before. He was not evil because he had powers, he decided to cause chaos once he had them. So Spiderman just taking that away from him and they act their good is stupid. I also don't like how this externalizes all their issues. Like I said before, the Sam Raimi villains had their flaws already; ruthlessness, arrogance, entitlement. Their powers only made them more pronounced.
That's fair, and I haven't seen NWH so i can't make a full comparison anyways.
I just remember when I was much younger gravitating towards Spider-man because it seemed like one of the few major franchises where the bad guys didn't have to be bad guys as the meme goes.
Oh yeah that's totally fair. I don't mind redemption arcs, I just think the ones in NWH kinda suck. Because they aren't arcs, the villains are forcibly cured.