https://archive.ph/2022.05.30-145611/https://www.wsj.com/articles/summer-worker-shortage-means-pools-camps-closed-11653918501

    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Reminder that there was a study claiming the US was under counting and approached 900k+ covid related deaths back in 2020.

      • Mother [any]
        ·
        edit-2
        3 years ago

        YES good point I am just so tired of these “why does nobody want to work” pieces which ignore a million bodies in the fucking ground and god knows how many permanent disabilities

        • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
          ·
          3 years ago

          There's a book by Walter Scheidel called The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century where he talks about the "4 horsemen" of leveling inequality; mass-mobilization warfare, transformative revolutions, state collapse, and catastrophic plagues. And what we're seeing now is pretty much straight out of his chapter on the rise of labor power after the black death even to the point of them attempting legislation to reign in labor power.

          June 1349, the crown passed the Ordinance of Laborers:

          Since a great part of the population, and especially workers and employees (“servants”), has now died in this pestilence many people, observing the needs of masters and the shortage of employees, are refusing to work unless they are paid an excessive salary. . . . We have ordained that every man or woman in our realm of England, whether free or unfree, who is physically fit and below the age of sixty, not living by trade and exercising a particular craft, and not having private means of land of their own upon which they need to work, and not working for someone else, shall, if offered employment consonant with their status, be obliged to accept the employment offered, and they should be paid only the fees, liveries, payments or salaries which were usually paid in the part of the country where they are working in the twentieth year of our reign [1346] or in some other appropriate year five or six years ago. . . . No one should pay or promise wages, liveries, payments or salaries greater than those defined above under pain of paying twice whatever he paid or promised to anyone who feels himself harmed by it. . . . Artisans and labourers ought not to receive for their labour and craft more money than they could have expected to receive in the said twentieth year or other appropriate year, in the place where they happen to be working; and if anyone takes more, let him be committed to gaol.

          • OperationOgre [he/him, they/them]
            ·
            edit-2
            3 years ago

            We're in fuckin' 1349 motherfucker. You are a serf. Bitch, you live in Buckinghamshire. You are a peasant. You need to give your fuckin' lord the grain. Your fucking children, you've had 15 children. You've never taken a bath. You've literally never. washed. your. penis. You've never used toilet paper. Motherfucker, you have worms. You are dying. You've had 40 children, 3 of them are alive. 2 of them are child soldiers in the Duke's army.

          • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
            ·
            3 years ago

            from NATOpedia: "The ordinance has largely been seen as ineffective.[4] Despite the English parliament's attempt to reinforce the ordinance with the Statute of Labourers of 1351, workers continued to command higher wages and the majority of England (those in the labouring class) enjoyed a century of relative prosperity before the ratio of labour to land restored the pre-plague levels of wages and prices. While the economic situation eventually reverted, the plague radically altered the social structure of English society.[2]

            It was later repealed by the Statute Law Revision Act 1863 and the Statute Law (Ireland) Revision Act 1872."

            lol eat it rich fucks. It makes me happy to know that, if only for a time, they didn't get what they wanted.

        • Mother [any]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Do you have a source for that number would love to learn more

          Don’t feel pressured to dig something up if it’s not handy I’m not trying to debate bro you

          • TheModerateTankie [any]
            ·
            3 years ago

            I forget where i found the source, but the Cdc estimate that every 1 in 5 cases results in long covid. A survey of 100k cases found 26000 people are still having symptoms after over month: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-reveals-long-COVID-risks-17200501.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight

            For the UK they think 2 million have long covid: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/01/two-million-people-in-uk-living-with-long-covid-say-studies

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
        ·
        3 years ago

        A ton do. They're just bottled up at the border indefinitely, because a handful of xenophobic pricks in fly over country hate brown people.

        • MerryChristmas [any]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Which, ironically, further empowers labor. They literally would rather hurt brown people than protect their own economic interests because they feel so confident that they can grind us into dust.

    • DialecticalShaman [none/use name]
      ·
      3 years ago

      someone I know said that most of the deaths were people over 50, and that they don't contribute much to the labor force.

      • Mother [any]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Lol nobody retires in this country those old people were most definitely still working

      • duderium [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        I've also seen this and agree that it's probably true (most covid deaths were / are older folks). Even if you say they weren't working (which I disagree with), this demographic has most of the country's money, so when they die, their kids get their stuff, and then have less of an incentive to work for shit wages, thus "nobody wants to work anymore."

        • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Plus retirees watch their grandkids frequently, less of them around means more people looking at daycare and deciding that between being impoverished and paying for daycare, and being impoverished and having one of the parents home with the kids all day, the second one sounds less horrible.

        • HeckHound [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Yeah this is what happened for me, at least. I was working as an EMT and got real burned out during the pandemic and had to quit so I didn’t kill myself. The only reason I was able to do that and survive was because my wife and I both lost a grandparent and we were able to use our inheritance to pay off the last $50,000 on our student loans.

    • PeterTheAverage [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Hasn't immigration also tumbled since the beginning of the pandemic? I read that there has been something like 1 and a half million fewer immigrants than there would be if pre-2020 levels had been sustained.