• communistthrowaway69 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Monetary policy is secondary to economic control.

    Like, yeah, you can do MMT. But you don't need to do MMT to do Socialism. You need state power and control over firms.

    A planned economy is more important than whether you raise taxes or just print money.

    • LatheOfLeavenedBread [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      seems like any world in which people have the political, economic, cultural control of the various arms of the state to effectively do MMT is a world in which we don't actually need to do MMT.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Even if that's true, and I'm not sure it is, MMT is great for advancing the cause of socialism in the first place.

        1. It's a direct answer to "how do you pay for it?" deficit scolds who want to pretend that the richest country on the planet can't afford universal healthcare.
        2. It shows that deficit scolds in both parties don't really know what they're talking about (at least at the federal level), and criticizing Democrats from a non-chud perspective is the gateway to the left.
        3. It ties in nicely with the idea that austerity economics is an ideological goal, not a sober approach to real problems.

        Right now it's good and useful, even if in a socialist utopia we might discover it isn't needed.

    • Ewball_Oust [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Any society that uses money needs to understand how it works, and how it comes to be

      I think functional finance/mmt would be important during transitional stages towards communism

  • Ewball_Oust [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    To be clear:

    The most important thing is taking the commanding heights of the economy under public control

    Functional finance is just a tool, but an important tool

  • ComradeBobRojavakian [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    MMT is just a social democratic fantasy based on a false notion of how money actually works, and jumping onto this Magical Money Theory will only hurt the left

      • ComradeBobRojavakian [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        And they are wrong about MMT. What do you know, Marxist economists can be wrong about Marx and about economics as well. As to people who predicted the Great Financial Crisis, a lot of people get credit for it- the vehemently anti-MMT Anwar Shaikh, who I think is probably closer to Marx than either of these folks, also predicted the GFC, so did a bunch of Austrian Loons.

    • LatheOfLeavenedBread [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      out of curiosity since I don't really follow this debate too closely. Who do you think is right about how money actually works?

      • ComradeBobRojavakian [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Money is the universal equivalence for all commodities, as Marx spells out in Das Kapital. There is nothing magical about it, anything can be used for money in practice, but people tend to choose to base money around something with a relatively stable value- like Gold or Silver, or, in the modern era, the USD. If people did MMT magic with the USD, then other nations will simply abandon it in favor of whatever seems more stable, so the usual MMT argument that we can fuck with the USD however we like and not run any risk since it is the world reserve currency is silly.

        • Ewball_Oust [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Why do you keep saying "magic"?

          It literally just describes the fiat money system

          If people did MMT magic with the USD

          But this is the point

          It's not IF

          Whenever the sovereign spends money is created

          You literally wouldn't be able to use any kind of fiat currency if it wasn't spent into existence before

          This is especially clear during deficit spending. The monetary sovereign literally creates money out of nowhere.

          If you think this is magic, then how do you think you type your comments? There is no storage of alphanumerical characters I draw from to write this comment. It simply comes from "nowhere" when I hit a key.