I felt uncomfortable with his overly familiar behavior and that free food felt like a power play, a way to feel as though he had authority over us
Hexbear: "I'm not a neoliberal, I can imagine alternatives to market society"
also bear: "Huh? The traditional gift economy of human life requires reciprocity??? You're crazy lady, just exchange products in the free market as an atomized individual LOL".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy
The French writer Georges Bataille, in La part Maudite, uses Mauss's argument in order to construct a theory of economy: the structure of gift is the presupposition for all possible economy. Bataille is particularly interested in the potlatch as described by Mauss, and claims that its agonistic character obliges the receiver to confirm their own subjection. Thus gifting embodies the Hegelian dipole of master and slave within the act.
Not to go all "human nature", but there is some inherent psychological consequence of giving and receiving gifts.
If nothing else, a periodic gifting of some necessary commodity creates a dependency on the gift giver. A classic example of this is the idea of a child's "allowance". By extending a weekly stipend to your child, you both grant the child independent agency and provide some amount of leverage by threatening to withhold it.
mass society as such requires reciprocity, socialism merely posits that this reciprocity is on the basis of producers that share a political obligation to eachother and therefore are entitled to the fruits of their labor unmediated through commodity exchange. Hence the line from the first international "no rights without duties, no duties without rights"
it's only a phenomena of modern social democracy and how social democrats have infected the minds of self-identified communists where people expect to have their needs catered towards unconditionally absent any contribution as subjects that are atomized from any obligations place upon them, as if they are living in Wall-E. Of course unstated in this formula whether this is from self-identified "communists" or honest social democrats is that such a system is only possible in a consumer society sustained from the immiseration of the third world proletariat
Obviously, but the panera is not a gift but a trick to make you drink more so you end up buying another beverage mid-dinner. The oldest trick in the book. It's always something salty.
Hexbear: "I'm not a neoliberal, I can imagine alternatives to market society"
also bear: "Huh? The traditional gift economy of human life requires reciprocity??? You're crazy lady, just exchange products in the free market as an atomized individual LOL".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy
Oh how I’ve missed you BMF
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BMF quoting Bataille in this situation is actually really fucking on character lmao.
perfectly incomprehensible BMF post, one of your best.
yes but also no
Didn't expect to see hegel come up in this discussion about a pizzeria, thank you BMF
I’m telling this to my grandma when she sends me a birthday card, that conniving selfish bitch
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Not to go all "human nature", but there is some inherent psychological consequence of giving and receiving gifts.
If nothing else, a periodic gifting of some necessary commodity creates a dependency on the gift giver. A classic example of this is the idea of a child's "allowance". By extending a weekly stipend to your child, you both grant the child independent agency and provide some amount of leverage by threatening to withhold it.
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mass society as such requires reciprocity, socialism merely posits that this reciprocity is on the basis of producers that share a political obligation to eachother and therefore are entitled to the fruits of their labor unmediated through commodity exchange. Hence the line from the first international "no rights without duties, no duties without rights"
it's only a phenomena of modern social democracy and how social democrats have infected the minds of self-identified communists where people expect to have their needs catered towards unconditionally absent any contribution as subjects that are atomized from any obligations place upon them, as if they are living in Wall-E. Of course unstated in this formula whether this is from self-identified "communists" or honest social democrats is that such a system is only possible in a consumer society sustained from the immiseration of the third world proletariat
Obviously, but the panera is not a gift but a trick to make you drink more so you end up buying another beverage mid-dinner. The oldest trick in the book. It's always something salty.
But the drinks were free
Damn
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