Love the listen to the state mandated news channel where they say that all Russian news are "Fake News" while unironically parroting Ukraine propaganda about a billion russians being dead, and them getting near Moscow now, but still needing long range rocket systems for the final blow I guess :shrug-outta-hecks:
definitely nothing but freedom and :freeze-peach: in the west.
The West only cares about free speech in a procedural way, not in any sort of substantive way. Much like how it cares about democracy in only the procedural sense of people being able to vote (and even then inconsistently), but doesn't at all care about whether the options people are voting for will do anything to act in the interests of the people.
In the same way, the West cares that the government is not directly censoring you, but goes out of its way to ensure that media and internet companies are controlled by those who will censor on the government's behalf.
In this way, the Western belief in spreading "freedom and democracy" is essentially a new interpretation of the previous project of spreading Christianity - a purely surface level of veneer of moral good used to browbeat others, while in no way following the actual teachings of everyone's favorite brown Socialist carpenter.
I just read this article and it was very interesting but I’d like to seek clarification / further reading about one part of it. They mention in the article that part of Operation Yellowbird was about training “Pro democracy” factions within Chinese universities, and teaching them insurgent tactics. I had never heard of this operation before today, and so I tried to just look it up on Wikipedia to get a brief understanding of it (I know Wikipedia is really shit for leftist stuff but I just wanted a basic understanding before I read the rest of the article). Wikipedia, however, as well as all the other main pages that come up when you search Operation Yellowbird, seem to maintain that the operation was concerned solely with the extraction of “pro democracy” students AFTER the 6/4 incident, and not the training of any of them before. Is this simply an omission of the truth, and is there some further reading someone could direct me to that would mention the first part of the operation? Thanks in advance.
How could they logically plan and execute an operation that quickly? Assuming the CIA/state department narrative of no US interference in China. So, they maybe get info about protests in China and in days/weeks they plot something AND execute it? That doesn't sound plausible to me. If you research Joshua Wong and his connections, it was clear the dude was groomed for the position way before the HK protests happened.
the west is so free that twitter banned mango press and reddit appears to be filtering any attempt to link them
https://www.mango-press.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacre-the-wests-most-persuasive-most-pervasive-lie/
Love the listen to the state mandated news channel where they say that all Russian news are "Fake News" while unironically parroting Ukraine propaganda about a billion russians being dead, and them getting near Moscow now, but still needing long range rocket systems for the final blow I guess :shrug-outta-hecks:
definitely nothing but freedom and :freeze-peach: in the west.
The last time I checked the Wikipedia article it agreed with pretty much everything in the Mango Press article, down to "about 300" people died.
The West only cares about free speech in a procedural way, not in any sort of substantive way. Much like how it cares about democracy in only the procedural sense of people being able to vote (and even then inconsistently), but doesn't at all care about whether the options people are voting for will do anything to act in the interests of the people.
In the same way, the West cares that the government is not directly censoring you, but goes out of its way to ensure that media and internet companies are controlled by those who will censor on the government's behalf.
In this way, the Western belief in spreading "freedom and democracy" is essentially a new interpretation of the previous project of spreading Christianity - a purely surface level of veneer of moral good used to browbeat others, while in no way following the actual teachings of everyone's favorite brown Socialist carpenter.
:gold-communist:
I just read this article and it was very interesting but I’d like to seek clarification / further reading about one part of it. They mention in the article that part of Operation Yellowbird was about training “Pro democracy” factions within Chinese universities, and teaching them insurgent tactics. I had never heard of this operation before today, and so I tried to just look it up on Wikipedia to get a brief understanding of it (I know Wikipedia is really shit for leftist stuff but I just wanted a basic understanding before I read the rest of the article). Wikipedia, however, as well as all the other main pages that come up when you search Operation Yellowbird, seem to maintain that the operation was concerned solely with the extraction of “pro democracy” students AFTER the 6/4 incident, and not the training of any of them before. Is this simply an omission of the truth, and is there some further reading someone could direct me to that would mention the first part of the operation? Thanks in advance.
How could they logically plan and execute an operation that quickly? Assuming the CIA/state department narrative of no US interference in China. So, they maybe get info about protests in China and in days/weeks they plot something AND execute it? That doesn't sound plausible to me. If you research Joshua Wong and his connections, it was clear the dude was groomed for the position way before the HK protests happened.
Thanks for the reply, that actually makes a lot of sense. Do you have any recommendations of places to learn more about Joshua Wong?