The French literally drowned hundreds of peaceful protestors in the Seine at 1961 and it barely made any dent in the western collective consciousness.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961
What the fuck, I've never even heard of this before. And police chief Papon was a Vichy collaborator. Damn
Just western things, having your police chief in a big city be a literal Nazi collaborator
I see why no one cared. Colonized people were protesting, they don't count.
the west is so free that twitter banned mango press and reddit appears to be filtering any attempt to link them
https://www.mango-press.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacre-the-wests-most-persuasive-most-pervasive-lie/
Love the listen to the state mandated news channel where they say that all Russian news are "Fake News" while unironically parroting Ukraine propaganda about a billion russians being dead, and them getting near Moscow now, but still needing long range rocket systems for the final blow I guess :shrug-outta-hecks:
definitely nothing but freedom and :freeze-peach: in the west.
The last time I checked the Wikipedia article it agreed with pretty much everything in the Mango Press article, down to "about 300" people died.
The West only cares about free speech in a procedural way, not in any sort of substantive way. Much like how it cares about democracy in only the procedural sense of people being able to vote (and even then inconsistently), but doesn't at all care about whether the options people are voting for will do anything to act in the interests of the people.
In the same way, the West cares that the government is not directly censoring you, but goes out of its way to ensure that media and internet companies are controlled by those who will censor on the government's behalf.
In this way, the Western belief in spreading "freedom and democracy" is essentially a new interpretation of the previous project of spreading Christianity - a purely surface level of veneer of moral good used to browbeat others, while in no way following the actual teachings of everyone's favorite brown Socialist carpenter.
I just read this article and it was very interesting but I’d like to seek clarification / further reading about one part of it. They mention in the article that part of Operation Yellowbird was about training “Pro democracy” factions within Chinese universities, and teaching them insurgent tactics. I had never heard of this operation before today, and so I tried to just look it up on Wikipedia to get a brief understanding of it (I know Wikipedia is really shit for leftist stuff but I just wanted a basic understanding before I read the rest of the article). Wikipedia, however, as well as all the other main pages that come up when you search Operation Yellowbird, seem to maintain that the operation was concerned solely with the extraction of “pro democracy” students AFTER the 6/4 incident, and not the training of any of them before. Is this simply an omission of the truth, and is there some further reading someone could direct me to that would mention the first part of the operation? Thanks in advance.
How could they logically plan and execute an operation that quickly? Assuming the CIA/state department narrative of no US interference in China. So, they maybe get info about protests in China and in days/weeks they plot something AND execute it? That doesn't sound plausible to me. If you research Joshua Wong and his connections, it was clear the dude was groomed for the position way before the HK protests happened.
Thanks for the reply, that actually makes a lot of sense. Do you have any recommendations of places to learn more about Joshua Wong?
Westerners literally believe thousands of protesters were killed, ran over by tanks until their bodies were paste, and then hosed down the drains.
yes, redditors will mention it like they know some deep dark secret that the world is trying to hide
Redditors absolutely love just repeating the same shit over and over again in every thread. That’s why I have a hard time believing most of them are real people
And presumably they did such a good job cleaning the tanks that they were already spotless by the time they were leaving the square, which is when the video was taken.
why is the truck stopping in front of a random protestor an own. how is that an own. they're literally unwilling to use violent force against their own populace. that is the definition of a state being responsible. any cop car in the united states would have run over a civilian. And in this case, a trained military professional was still too empathetic to hurt a random person. So...
any cop car in the united states would have run over a civilian.
https://streamable.com/unjnw9
“That’s because they knew the cameras were rolling!”
Honestly thats likely what westerners think, that this was some sort of news segment and they took him away and shot him off camera.
No, I've heard it described as an own because the picture was a sign that the Chinese military was weak...
Weak if you don't run him over. Evil strong military if you did. :parenti-hands:
*Evil weak military, they would definitely find some way to twist it into some sort of weakness. Though, personally, running people over is a kind of weakness in my opinion, I meant in a strategical sense.
It's like some sort of nonfalsifiable orthodoxy or something idk. :parenti:
I think I finally got sold on 'china good'. :xi-reactionary-spotted:
Chinese people have a built in sixth sense for when any evidence of their satanic wrongdoings can be documented, so thats why there is never any evidence of organ harvesting, genocide, massacres etc.
A trained military professional who we're supposed to believe just got done killing like a quintillion people
So from what I understand ~200-300 people died in Tiananmen Square in 1989, right? Like, that's not ideal, but also not 3000 people. Still, I generally subscribe to the "murder is bad" school of thought.
The death toll is a mix of civilians and cops/soldiers, since many cops were sent in unarmed or with like a stick to try and control the situation, so theres some very graphic photos of lynched corpses burned to a crisp, plus some protestors/rioters managed to get a hold of firearms or even an APC with a machinegun in one case, which theres footage somewhere of it firing wildly into the air and driving erratically.
And of course its all over Beijing as well, the "Tiananmen Square" portion of the protests were mostly controlled and not violent, but in other places it was chaos and violence, people throwing molotov cocktails onto trucks.
241 people dead - the official toll - is tragic, but to simply call it the CPC murdering 218 of their citizens (28 dead were cops and soldiers) as if in cold blood is naïve as hell. This was an attempted colour revolution.
Wasn't the primary complaint being issued an objection to municipal farmland being broken up and privatized? This was a leftist reaction to Dengism and a rejection of the "modernization" efforts that were sweeping the continent in the waning days of the Cold War.
Yes, a lot of the western media campaign and agitprop was fueled by anti-coms hoping to topple the CCP. But the revolt was fundamentally Maoist, as I understand it.
Glib observations like yours deny the reality
Tienanmen signified a real failure of the Chinese state to implement the Mass Line. The fact that it came to killing illustrated the degree of social breakdown. The goal of a socialist state should ultimately be to rule by broad popular consensus, not to hold dissidents at gunpoint - particularly if they're capital city university students and factionalized party loyalists, people over whom the party is supposed to have the most direct influence.
Recognizing the incident as overblown and wildly mischaracterized outside China's borders is very different from huffing "Uh, this was good aktuly, because the dissidents were crushed!" copium.
In my eyes, it prevented a collapse of Socialist China much like the USSR. So imo, it sucks that it had to happen but was good overall
https://youtu.be/7bl_cyYHwNQ save before it gets removed from youtube. the other vid i had was removed already.
