Betteridge's Law?
As the challenges facing the nation mount and fatigued base voters show low enthusiasm, Democrats in union meetings, the back rooms of Capitol Hill and party gatherings from coast to coast are quietly worrying about Mr. Biden’s leadership, his age and his capability to take the fight to former President Donald J. Trump a second time.
Interviews with nearly 50 Democratic officials, from county leaders to members of Congress, as well as with disappointed voters who backed Mr. Biden in 2020, reveal a party alarmed about Republicans’ rising strength and extraordinarily pessimistic about an immediate path forward.
“To say our country was on the right track would flagrantly depart from reality,” said Steve Simeonidis, a Democratic National Committee member from Miami. Mr. Biden, he said, “should announce his intent not to seek re-election in ’24 right after the midterms.”
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Still, public polling shows that Mr. Biden is at a low point in his popularity among Democratic voters. A survey last month from The Associated Press found Mr. Biden’s approval among his fellow party members at 73 percent — the lowest point in his presidency, and nine points lower than at any point in 2021. There is little recent public polling asking if Democrats want Mr. Biden to seek a second term, but in January just 48 percent of Democrats wanted him to run again, according to The A.P.’s polling.
Democrats and regret, name a better pair:
Elizabeth Guzmán, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, said Democrats in her caucus regret not passing a sweeping abortion rights law last year before they lost control of the state House and governor’s mansion to Republicans. “We wanted to codify Roe vs. Wade, and look what happened,” she said.
She conveniently forgets that they didn't pass the law because their caucus went on vacation.
Shelia Huggins, a lawyer from Durham, N.C., who is a member of the Democratic National Committee, put it more bluntly. “Democrats need fresh, bold leadership for the 2024 presidential race,” she said. “That can’t be Biden.”
He didn't try to split the party because he couldn't have won that way, and it would have given real legs to Democrats' attempts to blame the loss in 2016 (or a loss in 2020) on him. That stuff never had any traction in the 2020 primary because it just had no basis in reality.
Splitting the party (rather than taking it over and forcing libs to split or stay) is a debatable strategy, anyway. Maybe you get something really good out of the ashes a decade later, but maybe that decade just rachets us even farther to the right and an even more conservative replacement party is what materializes.
Omg who cares about this lib electoralist shit, destroy the American political system. Who cares about optics or narrative or whatever, the parties need to be destroyed and re-made, often through catastrophic failure and collapse.
I think we need to have this conversation for another 8 years.
The immediate effect of destroying the Democratic Party would just yank us farther to the right. Maybe that produces something better, but maybe it kills a ton of people and we wind up someplace worse. That's a big gamble without any organized left that could make something of the situation.
There's no difference. We ripping to the right no matter what.
We're not ripping to the right on every issue, but even if that's the overall trend, how fast we go down that path matters. The left is not currently organized enough or big enough to win if the rightward shift dramatically accelerates.
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I feel like felony homelessness is not even close to the worst things we're going to see coming out of Congress after November.
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K lib
:LIB:
Liberalism is not wanting to fuck over poor people even harder on the off chance it spontaneously produces a socialist movement in the heart of empire. Of course, how could I not have seen this?
Man I'm so glade that Biden is better for poor people...
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Awww shit
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Biden sucks, but he's not privatizing social security, criminalizing abortion, making homelessness a felony, or a dozen even more awful things Republicans are actually doing or have long planned to do. If we're talking about surrendering all that and more by splitting the Democrats, there had better be something real to be gained from it. "Maybe this will somehow get us an organized left" isn't that.
You are afraid to do class struggle because you think we might bump into your favorite bourgeois reactionary imperialist party. The Democrats are not your friends and will never defend you from the collapse of the system, the collapse they are complicit in. Associating the left with this failing reactionary organization will be fatal to any radical party. Abstain and do not associate with these Liberals.
You don't have to like the Democratic Party to see that things would get worse in the immediate future if they were split out of power. And that a very likely outcome of that would be Democrats 2.0 popping up in a few years with less than nothing to show for all the misery.
No all those things are just happening under his watch
Valiant defender of the poor people, The Democratic Party. Isn’t there a Liz Warren fan forum for posts like this?
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Why would Republicans abandon their party if the Democratic Party is split into irrelevance?
If there was a way to split both parties, hell yeah, mash that button all day. But splitting just the Democrats is a lot more dicey, and I don't see how the guy responsible for it is going to be viewed fondly by anyone besides people who are already on the left.
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The Trumpist wing of the Republicans basically abandoned the establishment Republicans. Or the other way around. They hate each other. There shouldn't be a party called "Republicans" any more, except inertia.