Betteridge's Law?
As the challenges facing the nation mount and fatigued base voters show low enthusiasm, Democrats in union meetings, the back rooms of Capitol Hill and party gatherings from coast to coast are quietly worrying about Mr. Biden’s leadership, his age and his capability to take the fight to former President Donald J. Trump a second time.
Interviews with nearly 50 Democratic officials, from county leaders to members of Congress, as well as with disappointed voters who backed Mr. Biden in 2020, reveal a party alarmed about Republicans’ rising strength and extraordinarily pessimistic about an immediate path forward.
“To say our country was on the right track would flagrantly depart from reality,” said Steve Simeonidis, a Democratic National Committee member from Miami. Mr. Biden, he said, “should announce his intent not to seek re-election in ’24 right after the midterms.”
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Still, public polling shows that Mr. Biden is at a low point in his popularity among Democratic voters. A survey last month from The Associated Press found Mr. Biden’s approval among his fellow party members at 73 percent — the lowest point in his presidency, and nine points lower than at any point in 2021. There is little recent public polling asking if Democrats want Mr. Biden to seek a second term, but in January just 48 percent of Democrats wanted him to run again, according to The A.P.’s polling.
Democrats and regret, name a better pair:
Elizabeth Guzmán, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, said Democrats in her caucus regret not passing a sweeping abortion rights law last year before they lost control of the state House and governor’s mansion to Republicans. “We wanted to codify Roe vs. Wade, and look what happened,” she said.
She conveniently forgets that they didn't pass the law because their caucus went on vacation.
Shelia Huggins, a lawyer from Durham, N.C., who is a member of the Democratic National Committee, put it more bluntly. “Democrats need fresh, bold leadership for the 2024 presidential race,” she said. “That can’t be Biden.”
“Democrats need fresh, bold leadership for the 2024 presidential race,” she said. “That can’t be Biden.”
They're going to go with Hillary again.
Dianne Feinstein would be a bold choice, and she's fresh because she's never run for national office. Staffers will flock to her campaign because they'll have unprecedented power. Win/win/win.
God that's frightening. At least Biden is incompetent and has dementia. If Bloomberg takes over the party American politics will turn in to a duel over which party can build the most oppressive police state. Not that it isn't already, but with Bloomberg it would go to a new level.
They’re going to go with Hillary again.
Kinda hope it is, and kinda hope she wins (not voting for her lol) I wanna see the mental gymnastics libs come up with when they finally get Her in office and things continue to suck and nothing changes, except for the worse. Of course they'll blame the gop and Manchin and what not, but at some point it has to break, the excuses I mean. Where will they go, what will they do? They'll finally have what they want and get nothing but a spotlight and one night of vibes. They'll keep pointing fingers, but when they founder maybe the left will get a little breathing room by way of the dems being completely delegitimized. I mean it's that or DeSantis, right? Choose your hellworld.
at some point it has to break
I don't think it does. Religious people still believe in their doctrine in the face of all evidence and reason, over the course of thousands of years. They invent endless justifications for ignoring or refusing objective reality. There's no clear point that will cause Libs to break out of their ideology. Every time something challenges their worldview they effortlessly find a way to fit events in to their worldview. Hillary eats shit and it's Bernie's fault. Biden cheats badly and immediately becomes the most electable candidate. The Democrats can't pass any legislation and it's all Manchin's fault. And moreover the President and the Party are totally powerless to influence or coerce Manchin. They'll just keep doing this forever.
I know it's not particularly popular here, but this is why Bernie should run again.
They do not have another candidate. They will have to show their ass to keep Bernie out again, that will radicalise more people.
They will never let him win and that's why exactly he should run.
Nah he’s not the spike candidate you think he is. He licks the boots of Democrats and won’t do anything that will fracture them or strengthen the GOP relative to them. He showed this clearly when he backed down without a fight both time, when he could have pushed harder and threatened to split the party. He will never split the party, and his base no longer even likes him due to his continued past of cowardice
He didn't try to split the party because he couldn't have won that way, and it would have given real legs to Democrats' attempts to blame the loss in 2016 (or a loss in 2020) on him. That stuff never had any traction in the 2020 primary because it just had no basis in reality.
Splitting the party (rather than taking it over and forcing libs to split or stay) is a debatable strategy, anyway. Maybe you get something really good out of the ashes a decade later, but maybe that decade just rachets us even farther to the right and an even more conservative replacement party is what materializes.
Omg who cares about this lib electoralist shit, destroy the American political system. Who cares about optics or narrative or whatever, the parties need to be destroyed and re-made, often through catastrophic failure and collapse.
I think we need to have this conversation for another 8 years.
The immediate effect of destroying the Democratic Party would just yank us farther to the right. Maybe that produces something better, but maybe it kills a ton of people and we wind up someplace worse. That's a big gamble without any organized left that could make something of the situation.
There's no difference. We ripping to the right no matter what.
We're not ripping to the right on every issue, but even if that's the overall trend, how fast we go down that path matters. The left is not currently organized enough or big enough to win if the rightward shift dramatically accelerates.
Liberalism is not wanting to fuck over poor people even harder on the off chance it spontaneously produces a socialist movement in the heart of empire. Of course, how could I not have seen this?
Man I'm so glade that Biden is better for poor people...
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Awww shit
Valiant defender of the poor people, The Democratic Party. Isn’t there a Liz Warren fan forum for posts like this?
Why would Republicans abandon their party if the Democratic Party is split into irrelevance?
If there was a way to split both parties, hell yeah, mash that button all day. But splitting just the Democrats is a lot more dicey, and I don't see how the guy responsible for it is going to be viewed fondly by anyone besides people who are already on the left.
The Trumpist wing of the Republicans basically abandoned the establishment Republicans. Or the other way around. They hate each other. There shouldn't be a party called "Republicans" any more, except inertia.
I think Sanders problem will be that he let this happen. And i don't know how much of a stomach the hardcore Sanders people have left for the guy.
And as we saw in 2020, Bernie doesn't seem to have any interest in going for "his friend" Joe Biden's jugular.
The only interest he has is giving the same dated stump speech to huge crowds.
Bernie wheeling Biden to a graveyard like Big Boss with Zero at the end of MGS4
I don’t know why people are acting like you’re saying HeresHowBernieCanStillWin. It’s no secret that Bernie’s failures have been a huge jumpstart to local political networks and to leftist radicalization
Yeah I'm not saying that. I just think it's at least going to prove to some more people how shit the dems are.
The Democrats have no bench. They party may just collapse because the elders have dismantled any ability to build a bench because they don't want to be threatened by them
Meanwhile the (non-establishment) GOP has got a whole crop of young Trumpists ready to go.
That's what really gets me. Having someone trained, educated, and boosted to step in to your shoes is one of the most important things you can do, but these ghouls have slithered right in to dementia without training up any national figures to come after them.
The only one who can stop a bad guy with a tan is a good guy with a tan.
You know if he did they would let him into the debates lol. They'd mumble some crap about how they have to do it because they have to respect the process!
Trump was a Democrat in the 80s. His positions are frozen in amber, pro-union, pro-America, anti-immigration...all of these were solid Democrat positions in the 80s. But Bill Clinton took the party corporate and they never looked back. Destroyed unions and the working class with NAFTA and admitting China to the WTO.
Them pivoting directly from "it's a stutter" to "this man cannot be allowed to run" would be pretty funny
Harris doesn't seem like a real person, like she smoothed her entire personality out with Xanax and platitudes. Even Buttigieg seemed kind of pathetically lost and vulnerable, like an overachieving high schooler way out of his depth.
That's not a personality though, is what I mean. That's a shield of detachment they wear to hide whatever authentic reactions might bubble out.
Vice President Kamala Harris,
I would like to remind everyone that literally no one voted for Harris. She didn't get any delegates at all. They just picked her because fuck you that's why.
Also god save us from fucking Beto Male.
The kind Cesar Borgia could overthrow the entire Democratic party in a weekend without even learning English because everyone in the party has the political instincts of a dead dog.
Imagining Biden standing on a stage before the DNC, overwhelmed by a susurrus as everyone whispers "no" over and over again until he walks off stage.
*force this guy on everyone as a middle finger to the sheepdog socdem who would have, at best, not even done enough to stave off collapse**don't even have the chutzpah to stick with him for two terms because he's a senile child sniffing embarrassment to mankind bound to get trounced by his big wet opponent*:agony-mescaline: burgers crash your country with no survivors challenge [inevitable]
The next Trump presidentncy might just break this country finally, i would be cheering but they will attempted to mulch everyone i care about.
Yeah this whole "collapse of the hegemon" thing is great, except I live in the hegemon and have weird healthcare requirements.
Only if the last primary had a charismatic contender that had hundreds of thousands of volunteers. A guy that won several of the first races.
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