For me it's anything involving cars or horses, also american football, and sumo, how about anything in general that intentionally harms the players health just by playing?

      • crime [she/her, any]
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        2 years ago

        Are we banning fencing too? Cause fencing is also really fucking fun, you're just trying to stab your opponent the whole time

        • Commander_Data [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          With a blunted foil, tons of padding and a mesh face mask. I'm really disturbed by how many people here think violence for entertainment is a good idea. All ethical issues aside, violence is sometimes necessary, and the impact of it is lessened when it's engaged in for entertainment. There is nothing normal or healthy about wanting to watch one human smash another's face in. Let down by this place again.

          • jabrd [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I can’t wait to hear these takes resurface the next time someone mentions kink on this site. Spanking is sociopathic and there is nothing normal about wanting to leave a handprint on another person’s ass hahaha. Simulated violence is fun just the same way any adrenaline fueled sport that simulates almost dying is too. It can be done safely and with all involved’s consent. Endorphins are a hell of a drug

            • Commander_Data [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              False equivalence. People don't generally die from or get brain damage from being spanked. And when deaths do occur in the BDSM community, there's universally a manslaughter charge brought, at minimum.

                • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                  2 years ago

                  To refute the "it's existed for millenia so it's cool and good and normal" argument, it's 100% fair game.

                    • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                      2 years ago

                      I'm not equivocating. All I said was that those were all bad things that humans have done forever. I'm the only one here not advocating for anti-social behavior.

                      "X isn't as bad as rape so I should be allowed to do it" is a hell of an argument.

                                • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                                  2 years ago

                                  Using violence against another human being in any other context than defense of one's self or others is aberrant behavior. The desire to watch it as entertainment is probably worse. "People have being doing it for years" and "it's a hell of an endorphin rush" are not defenses. People have been doing all manner of terrible things for years and they do all manner of self‐destructive things for an adrenaline rush. If you like to fight or watch fights I think you have an untreated mental illness and no amount of bullying can change my mind. I won't be intimidated or shamed into walking back a single thing I've said. I think you're a danger to me and my loved ones and I do not want to interact with you.

          • crime [she/her, any]
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            2 years ago

            It's still simulated violence, so if that's your objection to boxing, mma, or other martial arts you should take issue with fencing too. (Also as a former fencer I really wouldn't call it "tons of padding", it's just a jacket that can be surprisingly thin, an extra thin piece of nylon over your sword shoulder and pec, and sometimes a piece of plastic over your rib cage. Getting stabbed hard still leaves huge bruises)

            With proper protection and awareness I don't think there's anything morally wrong with simulated fighting. All kinds of animals participate in play-fighting too, I don't think two kittens pouncing on each other is morally repugnant either. There's a clear difference between fighting for fun and fighting to maim/kill.

            Can't remember where, but I was in a really good discussion with some other autistic people about playfighting as a kind of pressure release valve or other sort of stim and a solid handful of us realized that we'd had similar arrangements with friends when we're growing up — for me, a friend and I would take turns using an elbow to smack the other person's elbow until one of us gave up or we got bored. If anything it made me less interested in beating the shit out of someone.

            As long as all parties are aware of any potential risks, safety measures are being taken, and participants have the ability to withdraw at any point, theres no moral issue inherent to the sport IMO.