First, it started with people saying cis women getting breast implants was gender-affirming surgery and at least that kinda made sense on the very surface level. Now people are claiming all plastic surgeries are gender-affirming which made me check whether this was some orchestrated trolling effort. Doesn't seem like it.

Here's the tweet .

  • 7bicycles [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Yeah but while male pattern baldness is a decidedly male coded phenomena, it's hardly the peak maleness is it. I mean barring some examples, your archetypal "good" male for a lack of ba better term is portrayed with hair. Sure, this doesn't track with what's actually happening, but then again gender is a fuck anyways.

    Picking up your boob job analogy here I'd argue having "nice" boobs is way more womanly than having saggy breasts. I don't see where the meaningful difference between trying to look male and trying to look good male is supposed to be here for this to not make sense.

    Would getting hair removal surgery according to male pattern baldness as a FtM be gender affirming surgery? I'd say yes. But I'd argue the same for hair transplants. One makes you look male, the other better male. The end goal is the same: to look more like your gender

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      especially in the refuse of Christianity in Europe, physically unattractive characteristics are associated with evilness and danger to society. every billionaire that plans to be publicly visible gets a glow up for that reason. imagine if elon still looked identically the part of a pasty balding dweeb. it might help him sell the notion that he is a tech genius better, but it certainly would invite the not-critically-minded to disparage him as evil for his looks alone. fuck, look at :pete: even, we make fun of him for looking like a little rat because it reaffirms to us our belief in his innate badness.

    • Anemasta [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      An interesting question is how this works when beauty standards change and whether it affects gender norms.

      Like say during heroin chic era being rail-thin and having small breasts was considered more attractive, while having big breasts and a curvy figure would make you more unmistakably female.

      Same with the k-pop dude look. Not sure how much it has become a male beauty standard in Korea, but we can use it as a hypothetical. Sure, looking like a BTS dude is considered attractive, but being huge, bold, ugly and hairy seems like a much better way to never be mistaken for a woman.