Failure and success are two very elastic terms. The default unspoken definitions of failure and success are wildly disparate for capitalism and communism. Liberals usually only have to find an example of someone being better off than people were in the charicature of the USSR we know from cold war propaganda in order to declare capitalism a success, whereas communists have to demonstrate communism creating an utopian paradise on earth ovenight in order to say it is successful.
Get the liberals to define the criteria for failure and success and get them to apply them equally to socialism and capitalism.
Once you've done that, ask them if millions of people dying from easily curable diseases are a success. Ask them if them if millions starving to death each year while food is being thrown out somewhere else for the most frivolous reasons are a succes. Ask them if having homes standing empty while people freeze to death in the streets is a success.
And mention capitalism's greatest success: climate change. Untold millions will have their livelihoods, their communities destroyed. Some of the most populated places on earth will be rendered uninhabitable. People will starve and die in wars over the remaining resources. Nothing of significance will be done to avert the disaster, the leaders of capitalism will try to scam each other with green gizmos until they're under water , not because they are stupid or evil but because capitalism as a system is structurally incapable of doing what needs to be done to keep this at bay. If this isn't considered a failure, I don't know what is.
Failure and success are two very elastic terms. The default unspoken definitions of failure and success are wildly disparate for capitalism and communism. Liberals usually only have to find an example of someone being better off than people were in the charicature of the USSR we know from cold war propaganda in order to declare capitalism a success, whereas communists have to demonstrate communism creating an utopian paradise on earth ovenight in order to say it is successful.
Get the liberals to define the criteria for failure and success and get them to apply them equally to socialism and capitalism.
Once you've done that, ask them if millions of people dying from easily curable diseases are a success. Ask them if them if millions starving to death each year while food is being thrown out somewhere else for the most frivolous reasons are a succes. Ask them if having homes standing empty while people freeze to death in the streets is a success.
And mention capitalism's greatest success: climate change. Untold millions will have their livelihoods, their communities destroyed. Some of the most populated places on earth will be rendered uninhabitable. People will starve and die in wars over the remaining resources. Nothing of significance will be done to avert the disaster, the leaders of capitalism will try to scam each other with green gizmos until they're under water , not because they are stupid or evil but because capitalism as a system is structurally incapable of doing what needs to be done to keep this at bay. If this isn't considered a failure, I don't know what is.